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Mosque near WTC moves forward

Regarding the "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC...


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That would be because most conservatives do not study or attend university.:doh
Even so, they would certainly double-check their siggy for syntax :2razz:
 
Trust me there are just as many Muslim bigots as their are American bigots. And what is America? Is it a nation or a continent?

I hate blacks and you know why? Because I didn't oppress them and the ones who are younger than 40 have not been oppressed. And they are walking around like they deserve reparation. For what? Poverty will continue because it is a thing of life. Even the ones who are poor can manage to get out of poverty by talking right, smiling, working right, it is possible. But too many black people make the excuse that they are being discriminated by against and they forget that everyone gets discriminated against.

You hate blacks? You my friend are what is wrong with America not conservatives.
 
You hate blacks? You my friend are what is wrong with America not conservatives.

That was sarcasm:doh You know how she said she hates America half the time.....and no conservatives are what is wrong with this nation.
 
I believe so as well. But the fact is that the Muslim rule doesn't affect us on choosing how we can live. The government of the US encourages fear campaign for the sole purpose of reducing freedoms here, but its ok because people apparently believe Islam is a real threat. It really isn't, because those nations that have rule of the Koran or whatever do not try and push their weight internationally. That is our place the USAs. And because since we have been in Afghanistan there has not been a single successful terrorist attack on us by Al-Queda. Al-Queda is practically not a threat anymore. They have lost all of their power.

I disagree globalization has forced ideologies to rub against each other some of these are uncompatable and conflict will be the result.The main fight in the war on terror is an ideological one i dont think we can compromise are way out of it.
 
That was sarcasm:doh You know how she said she hates America half the time.....and no conservatives are what is wrong with this nation.

Ok, I believe you were being sarcastic. And I agree America has its problems, and that is an understatment, but I still love this country, I just wish we would do what needs to be done to fix our problems and stop this march towards a nanny craddle to grave entitlement state.
 
And yet, there is no getting around the fact that the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims motivated by Jihad. I get a little baffled sometimes by people who don't seem to want to recognize that little fact, or the undeniable truth that Islam seems to produce an aweful lot of terrorists. How many of the most recent 100 suicide bombers were Muslim? Is the number 99 or 100? Has any other religion produced 100 suicide bombers in the past decade... or even 10?

(Emperor Hirohito, BTW, was actually not directly responsible for Pearl Harbor... he was little more than a figurehead to the ruling Genru until he did the unthinkable in 1945 and addressed the Japanese people directly, calling on them to surrender. )

Ever lost a loved one to murder? It is very hard not to hate the perpetrators and anyone associated with them. I think this is at least arguably, a bit insensitive to the families of the 9/11 victims.

Doesn't anyone else find it just a smidge odd, that WE are supposed to be uber-sensitive to the needs, wants, feelings and sensibilities of EVERYONE else, yet nobody seems to give a good flying **** if something might offend US?

In the US freedom of religion is so important it was framed specifically in the Constitution. If we start discriminating against Muslims, based on a fear of the extremists, the terrorists have won.

Should we stop letting Catholic and Christian churches be built within 2 bocks of abortion clinics and hospitals that preform abortions because the victims of Christian extremists mite be offended?

We as a country need to stop worrying about who gets offended by people exorcising freedoms protected directly under our Constitution.

Seems to me we will have a much bigger problem when we are no longer allowed to be offended. Much like the religious leader who was arrested in England for saying homosexuality is a sin.
 
A $100 million dollar glass mosque called the "Cordoba House" is being built approximately 2 blocks away from ground zero. The purpose, according to Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf, is to "...foster better relations between the West and Muslims." Costs are being handled by groups such as the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, which would pay for the construction.

Not everyone is on board though...




So weigh in -- is this all OK due to the stated intent, or is it NOT okay and this type of outreach building should be built somewhere not so close to the site of 9/11?





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I have no problem with it. Banning a mosque near the trade center because of what some muslim terrorist did would be like banning the catholic church from building a daycare near a pre-school or elementary school because of what a few pedophile priest did(in case non one else point that out).
 
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Wow, this thread really went off the rails. We've got people slamming America, Christianity, Whites, Blacks, slavery, Northerners, bigots, Obama, and lil' ol' me.

Sorry Ten, but you've been on Ignore for over half a year... this post of yours that I only saw because so many people quoted it is a good example of why you're on Ignore.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Nevermind legality, since I never said it should be illegal... let's consider if it would be wise, prudent and considerate to put:
-A Branch Davidian church next door to the OKC Murrah building site, or a memorial honoring Tim McVeigh.
-A memorial honoring Custer on main street in an Indian Reservation.
-a Shinto Shrine to Hirohito at Pearl Harbor, even though Hirohito didn't really run Japan and didn't give the order to attack.
-A Confederate War Memorial next door to Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam Headquarters.
-a KKK meeting hall across the street from the NAACP headquarters.

Legality aside, none of these choices would be wise, prudent or considerate. Neither is building a mosque next door to the site of the fallen Towers.


In the US freedom of religion is so important it was framed specifically in the Constitution. If we start discriminating against Muslims, based on a fear of the extremists, the terrorists have won.

Should we stop letting Catholic and Christian churches be built within 2 bocks of abortion clinics and hospitals that preform abortions because the victims of Christian extremists mite be offended?

We as a country need to stop worrying about who gets offended by people exorcising freedoms protected directly under our Constitution.

Seems to me we will have a much bigger problem when we are no longer allowed to be offended. Much like the religious leader who was arrested in England for saying homosexuality is a sin.


I never said it should be illegal or forbidden, just that I didn't think it was a good idea. I also said that what with all this sensitivity we're supposed to show for everyone else, it would be nice if someone returned the favor for once.
 
I never said it should be illegal or forbidden, just that I didn't think it was a good idea. I also said that what with all this sensitivity we're supposed to show for everyone else, it would be nice if someone returned the favor for once.

I understand that. Just wanted to make my point and you happened to be my victim, Bwhahahahaha!

It would be nice, but we need to take the high road in my humble.
 
So weigh in -- is this all OK due to the stated intent, or is it NOT okay and this type of outreach building should be built somewhere not so close to the site of 9/11?

This question is about as retarded as asking people if they're okay with someone building a taco stand in Texas.

Just saying.
 
I have no problem with it in fact I think it shows that most Muslim want to improve their image in the eyes of Americans. And the fact they lost people as well in the wtc they should be able to do this. The comments on this page are full with bigots who don't get that Islam is not full of extremist. Oh by the way I agree with blackdog about what is wrong with America are the bigots in the Conservative movement who label anything not Christan as devils work.
 
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let's consider if it would be wise, prudent and considerate to put:
-A Branch Davidian church next door to the OKC Murrah building site, or a memorial honoring Tim McVeigh.
-A memorial honoring Custer on main street in an Indian Reservation.
-a Shinto Shrine to Hirohito at Pearl Harbor, even though Hirohito didn't really run Japan and didn't give the order to attack.
-A Confederate War Memorial next door to Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam Headquarters.
-a KKK meeting hall across the street from the NAACP headquarters.

Your comparisons are once again highly inaccurate. Hirohito may have been a figurehead, but he still stood up and publicly supported the terrible crimes his nation committed. Anyone who joins the KKK does so because they hate non-white people. Muslims simply belong to second largest religion in the world, they share little other than a general grouping of religious faith. Would you get offended by building a church near a school because of pedophile Christians? Would you like all 2.1 billion Christians to be lumped in the same group as child-molesting priests?
 
Oh by the way I agree with blackdog about what is wrong with America are the bigots in the Conservative movement who label anything not Christan as devils work.

Whoooooo m'am. I never said anything like that. I am a conservative. I just tend to be a little left on social issues hence "Moderate conservative."

I am a Christian as well. I am not certain you read what I posted correctly as it had nothing to do with Christians in particular or conservatives. I was talking about extremists in any group and the right to religious freedom.
 
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Your comparisons are once again highly inaccurate. Hirohito may have been a figurehead, but he still stood up and publicly supported the terrible crimes his nation committed. Anyone who joins the KKK does so because they hate non-white people. Muslims simply belong to second largest religion in the world, they share little other than a general grouping of religious faith. Would you get offended by building a church near a school because of pedophile Christians? Would you like all 2.1 billion Christians to be lumped in the same group as child-molesting priests?


Many of the families of the WTC dead would probably disagree with you. As I said, there is no getting around the fact that 9/11 was committed by Muslims engaged in religious Jihad.

I think the Branch Davidian/Murrah building comparison was dead on, btw...and I notice you didn't mention that one.
If someone started building a Branch Davidian church across the street from the OKC bombing site, I'd be one of the first to say "Oooh, bad idea."
 
Many of the families of the WTC dead would probably disagree with you. As I said, there is no getting around the fact that 9/11 was committed by Muslims engaged in religious Jihad.

I think the Branch Davidian/Murrah building comparison was dead on, btw...and I notice you didn't mention that one.
If someone started building a Branch Davidian church across the street from the OKC bombing site, I'd be one of the first to say "Oooh, bad idea."

You. Don't. Get. It. Goshin.

9/11 was committed by bad people who happened to be extremist Muslim.

Many Muslims are not extremist, and did not condone the horrible act that happened on that bleak day in September.

Focus on the "bad" part, and not the "Muslim" part.
 
So where are all the people who insist that American Muslims have to "pick a side?"

Isn't wanting to improve relations just that?
 
I have no problem with it in fact I think it shows that most Muslim want to improve their image in the eyes of Americans. And the fact they lost people as well in the wtc they should be able to do this. The comments on this page are full with bigots who don't get that Islam is not full of extremist. Oh by the way I agree with blackdog about what is wrong with America are the bigots in the Conservative movement who label anything not Christan as devils work.



Where to even begin. :doh

I've said before that I don't think the average Muslim has any particular intrest in martyrdom or killing infidels. Yet Islam as a whole sure does generate a massive amount of violence, terrorism, and in those nations where Sharia is law: oppression of women and non-Islamics, and astonishingly brutal "justice".

Yes, Islam has an "image problem", and it isn't just about 9/11.

Ever heard this saying: "I see a method to your madness, but there's still too much madness in your method."

I sort of see Islam similarly: "I see that not all Muslims are extremists, but there's still too much extremism in Islam."

Your comment about Conservatives is simply more of your usual hyperpartisanship and irrelevant to the question of whether the location of this mosque is really wise, prudent and considerate.

(It isn't.)
 
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Your comment about Conservatives is simply more of your usual hyperpartisanship and irrelevant to the question of whether the location of this mosque is really wise, prudent and considerate.

(It isn't.)

Exactly.

I don't know how she read that into what I said.
 
Many of the families of the WTC dead would probably disagree with you.

So what? Victimized people often blame the wrong people for their loss.

As I said, there is no getting around the fact that 9/11 was committed by Muslims engaged in religious Jihad.

And there is no doubt that thousands of children were molested by Christians either. If you want to categorize all Muslims as the same, you better be prepared to do it to all Christians as well.

I think the Branch Davidian/Murrah building comparison was dead on, btw...and I notice you didn't mention that one.
If someone started building a Branch Davidian church across the street from the OKC bombing site, I'd be one of the first to say "Oooh, bad idea."

The Branch Davidians had nothing to do with the Okalahoma bombing. McVeigh used Waco as a justification, but you can hardly hold them responsible for that.
 
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So what? Its sadly predictable that victimized people

And you don't think that a little consideration for them is perhaps a good thing?



And there is no doubt that thousands of children were molested by Christians either. If you want to categorize all Muslims as the same, you better be prepared to do the same to all Christians as well.

Apples and oranges.



The Branch Davidians had nothing to do with the Okalahoma bombing. McVeigh used Waco as a justification, but you can hardly hold them responsible for that.

I don't blame the BDs, just as I don't blame all Muslims for 9/11. The fact remains that OKC was done by McVeigh as retaliation for Waco, "in their name" as it were, and putting a BD church next to the OKC site would be in poor taste and lacking in consideration for the families of the OKC victims... just as putting a mosque next to Ground Zero is, since 9/11 was done in the name of Islamic jihad.
 
And you don't think that a little consideration for them is perhaps a good thing?

I think it's been almost 9 freaking years, and if they aren't over their grief enough to be able to tolerate the sight of a mosque, they've got problems that "a little consideration" isn't going to be able to fix.

This shouldn't be about "a little consideration." This should be about life moving on and very different groups of people trying to figure out how to better co-exist.
 
You. Don't. Get. It. Goshin.

9/11 was committed by bad people who happened to be extremist Muslim.

Many Muslims are not extremist, and did not condone the horrible act that happened on that bleak day in September.

Focus on the "bad" part, and not the "Muslim" part.

Thats where you are wrong my Canadian friend. The terrorist that attacked the United States are good muslims. They are serving Allah by fighting holy war or jihad against the infidels as the Quran commands they do. They are the good muslims. They have givin thier lives for Allahs cause. Those who do not wage jihad are not muslims at all.
 
I think it's been almost 9 freaking years, and if they aren't over their grief enough to be able to tolerate the sight of a mosque, they've got problems that "a little consideration" isn't going to be able to fix.

This shouldn't be about "a little consideration." This should be about life moving on and very different groups of people trying to figure out how to better co-exist.

Co-exist, such a peaceful word. To bad we don't all live in this utopia where everything is peaceful and people don't want to kill us because we are kafirs (non-believers). Anyway sorry to interupt your imaginary world. Stick your head back in the flowers.
 
Thats where you are wrong my Canadian friend. The terrorist that attacked the United States are good muslims. They are serving Allah by fighting holy war or jihad against the infidels as the Quran commands they do. They are the good muslims. They have givin thier lives for Allahs cause. Those who do not wage jihad are not muslims at all.

Then I guess there are millions who worship Allah yet are not-muslims.

Would you be happier if the people involved called this a not-mosque? :lol:
 
Then I guess there are millions who worship Allah yet are not-muslims.

Would you be happier if the people involved called this a not-mosque? :lol:

I would be happy if so called moderate muslims of the world would stand up to the jihadist. The jihadist who serve Allah (satan). The jihadist who actually submit to Allah and do what muslims are supposed to do according to the Quran.
 
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