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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    I have no problem with it in fact I think it shows that most Muslim want to improve their image in the eyes of Americans. And the fact they lost people as well in the wtc they should be able to do this. The comments on this page are full with bigots who don't get that Islam is not full of extremist. Oh by the way I agree with blackdog about what is wrong with America are the bigots in the Conservative movement who label anything not Christan as devils work.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    let's consider if it would be wise, prudent and considerate to put:
    -A Branch Davidian church next door to the OKC Murrah building site, or a memorial honoring Tim McVeigh.
    -A memorial honoring Custer on main street in an Indian Reservation.
    -a Shinto Shrine to Hirohito at Pearl Harbor, even though Hirohito didn't really run Japan and didn't give the order to attack.
    -A Confederate War Memorial next door to Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam Headquarters.
    -a KKK meeting hall across the street from the NAACP headquarters.
    Your comparisons are once again highly inaccurate. Hirohito may have been a figurehead, but he still stood up and publicly supported the terrible crimes his nation committed. Anyone who joins the KKK does so because they hate non-white people. Muslims simply belong to second largest religion in the world, they share little other than a general grouping of religious faith. Would you get offended by building a church near a school because of pedophile Christians? Would you like all 2.1 billion Christians to be lumped in the same group as child-molesting priests?

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Oh by the way I agree with blackdog about what is wrong with America are the bigots in the Conservative movement who label anything not Christan as devils work.
    Whoooooo m'am. I never said anything like that. I am a conservative. I just tend to be a little left on social issues hence "Moderate conservative."

    I am a Christian as well. I am not certain you read what I posted correctly as it had nothing to do with Christians in particular or conservatives. I was talking about extremists in any group and the right to religious freedom.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Your comparisons are once again highly inaccurate. Hirohito may have been a figurehead, but he still stood up and publicly supported the terrible crimes his nation committed. Anyone who joins the KKK does so because they hate non-white people. Muslims simply belong to second largest religion in the world, they share little other than a general grouping of religious faith. Would you get offended by building a church near a school because of pedophile Christians? Would you like all 2.1 billion Christians to be lumped in the same group as child-molesting priests?

    Many of the families of the WTC dead would probably disagree with you. As I said, there is no getting around the fact that 9/11 was committed by Muslims engaged in religious Jihad.

    I think the Branch Davidian/Murrah building comparison was dead on, btw...and I notice you didn't mention that one.
    If someone started building a Branch Davidian church across the street from the OKC bombing site, I'd be one of the first to say "Oooh, bad idea."

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Many of the families of the WTC dead would probably disagree with you. As I said, there is no getting around the fact that 9/11 was committed by Muslims engaged in religious Jihad.

    I think the Branch Davidian/Murrah building comparison was dead on, btw...and I notice you didn't mention that one.
    If someone started building a Branch Davidian church across the street from the OKC bombing site, I'd be one of the first to say "Oooh, bad idea."
    You. Don't. Get. It. Goshin.

    9/11 was committed by bad people who happened to be extremist Muslim.

    Many Muslims are not extremist, and did not condone the horrible act that happened on that bleak day in September.

    Focus on the "bad" part, and not the "Muslim" part.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    So where are all the people who insist that American Muslims have to "pick a side?"

    Isn't wanting to improve relations just that?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    I have no problem with it in fact I think it shows that most Muslim want to improve their image in the eyes of Americans. And the fact they lost people as well in the wtc they should be able to do this. The comments on this page are full with bigots who don't get that Islam is not full of extremist. Oh by the way I agree with blackdog about what is wrong with America are the bigots in the Conservative movement who label anything not Christan as devils work.


    Where to even begin.

    I've said before that I don't think the average Muslim has any particular intrest in martyrdom or killing infidels. Yet Islam as a whole sure does generate a massive amount of violence, terrorism, and in those nations where Sharia is law: oppression of women and non-Islamics, and astonishingly brutal "justice".

    Yes, Islam has an "image problem", and it isn't just about 9/11.

    Ever heard this saying: "I see a method to your madness, but there's still too much madness in your method."

    I sort of see Islam similarly: "I see that not all Muslims are extremists, but there's still too much extremism in Islam."

    Your comment about Conservatives is simply more of your usual hyperpartisanship and irrelevant to the question of whether the location of this mosque is really wise, prudent and considerate.

    (It isn't.)
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Your comment about Conservatives is simply more of your usual hyperpartisanship and irrelevant to the question of whether the location of this mosque is really wise, prudent and considerate.

    (It isn't.)
    Exactly.

    I don't know how she read that into what I said.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Many of the families of the WTC dead would probably disagree with you.
    So what? Victimized people often blame the wrong people for their loss.

    As I said, there is no getting around the fact that 9/11 was committed by Muslims engaged in religious Jihad.
    And there is no doubt that thousands of children were molested by Christians either. If you want to categorize all Muslims as the same, you better be prepared to do it to all Christians as well.

    I think the Branch Davidian/Murrah building comparison was dead on, btw...and I notice you didn't mention that one.
    If someone started building a Branch Davidian church across the street from the OKC bombing site, I'd be one of the first to say "Oooh, bad idea."
    The Branch Davidians had nothing to do with the Okalahoma bombing. McVeigh used Waco as a justification, but you can hardly hold them responsible for that.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So what? Its sadly predictable that victimized people
    And you don't think that a little consideration for them is perhaps a good thing?



    And there is no doubt that thousands of children were molested by Christians either. If you want to categorize all Muslims as the same, you better be prepared to do the same to all Christians as well.
    Apples and oranges.



    The Branch Davidians had nothing to do with the Okalahoma bombing. McVeigh used Waco as a justification, but you can hardly hold them responsible for that.
    I don't blame the BDs, just as I don't blame all Muslims for 9/11. The fact remains that OKC was done by McVeigh as retaliation for Waco, "in their name" as it were, and putting a BD church next to the OKC site would be in poor taste and lacking in consideration for the families of the OKC victims... just as putting a mosque next to Ground Zero is, since 9/11 was done in the name of Islamic jihad.

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