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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    No, they ostracize them and financially ruin them. Of course, it isn't legal for them to kill people in the civilized West anymore.

    Leaving the Fold / Third-generation Scientologist grows disillusioned with faith - SFGate
    Find me a modern mainstream Christian scholar who asserts that apostasy is punishable by death.

    In the late 1800s, Mormons killed Apostates, too.
    Good for that call me the next time a convert is killed by Mormons then maybe it will bear some relevance to the present.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Islam: Muslims Divided Over Penalty For Apostasy - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2010

    Here is an article on apostasy in Islam.

    What would you then see as "radical" when all agree that apostasy should be punished?
    More evidence that Islam is evil.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And Islam has been doing it between 500 A.D. and today.
    Well, then, perhaps they'll grow out of it in the next 20 years or so.

    Um it's not history for Islam that's a pretty key difference. Christianity may have once been just as crazy as Islam but it isn't any longer today Islam takes the winning prize of bat**** craziest and most violent theist belief structure.
    Not all of Islam, just the radicals.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And you being a laughable little lapdog for violent theists and their imaginary man in the sky that tells them to kill people doesn't leave you in exactly what one would call a very tenable position either.
    I am defending the lumping together of a very small violent subset of a belief system with everyone else who DOESN'T go out and kill people in the name of their religion.

    When you look at the statistics of how many Muslim terrorists we've actually had in the modern era (**** the past few years, let's go all the way back to JFK) that posed against the number of ACTUAL Muslims and you see that the vast majority of Muslims are not violent.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're actually, 100% wrong in this case. Here's the evidence:

    NY Law Library, DEP Noise Code, 1998 ---


    24-217 Exemptions.


    The provisions of this code shall not apply to the operation or use of any organ, bell, chimes or other similar instrument by any church, synagogue, mosque or school.

    NPC Law Library: city of New York Noise Ordinance

    So I'll ask again, why not change your opinion and go all the way, since there is no noise ordinance in NYC that would prevent it. I think it's time you move the goal post and change your argument.
    That is dealing with Organs and Bells, I don't know entirely what the law says about a call to worship, which is indeed an Imam reciting scripture loudly.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    That is dealing with Organs and Bells, I don't know entirely what the law says about a call to worship, which is indeed an Imam reciting scripture loudly.
    ... or any similar instrument...

    Like the human voice. Sorry but you didn't know this part when you posted.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    And Islam has been doing it between 500 A.D. and today.



    Um it's not history for Islam that's a pretty key difference. Christianity may have once been just as crazy as Islam but it isn't any longer today Islam takes the winning prize of bat**** craziest and most violent theist belief structure.
    Imam: Mosque near Ground Zero would prove American religious tolerance

    Why the assumption that we have something to prove? Meanwhile, we're expected to take Islam's claims of "tolerance" (which is according to its own definition and standards, not the Western tradition) as an article of politically correct faith. The tasteless positioning of a mosque near Ground Zero is also intended to foist another part of that dogma on New Yorkers -- namely, that Islam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, so a mosque in that location ought to be quite alright, right?

    But there are two problems here: 1. Islamic jihad was the motivation behind those attacks, and 2. it is Islam that has a problem with tolerance, as is made clear by its own texts and teachings (one may start with Qur'an 9:29, 98:6), and the abundance of Islamic nations cited as "Countries of Particular Concern" in the annual report of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom.
    Imam: Mosque near Ground Zero would prove American religious tolerance - Jihad Watch

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Jihad Watch?

    Are we supposed to take that seriously?

    That has all the credibility of the last hack article you posted.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    The Imam of the Ground Zero Insult, Faisal Abdul Rauf, is not the nice guy he likes to hold himself out to be...


    During a recent Friday sermon, this writer did due diligence as a mosque monitor and heard Rauf deny that Muslims perpetrated 9/11. In an interview with CNN shortly after 9/11, Rauf said, "U.S. policies were an accessory to the crime that happened. We [the U.S.] have been an accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. Osama bin Laden was made in the USA." Elsewhere, Rauf has stated that terrorism will end only when the West acknowledges the harm it has done to Muslims. And that it was Christians who started mass attacks on civilians.

    Rauf has numerous ties to CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the Department of Justice funding case brought against Hamas, an openly terrorist organization. CAIR is also the initiator of numerous cases designed to intimidate non-Muslims from criticizing aggressive Muslim behavior, and to use our own legal and democratic processes to undermine and dominate America, forcing it to become Islamic.
    American Thinker: Why the Ground Zero Mosque Must Be Stopped

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Jihad Watch?

    Are we supposed to take that seriously?

    That has all the credibility of the last hack article you posted.
    Can't dispute it on the merits so you try to attack the source. Weak.

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