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Thread: Mosque near WTC moves forward

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    In our society, people are punished for their actions, not their beliefs. Punishing people for their beliefs is certainly radical.
    Hate crimes?

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    In our society, people are punished for their actions, not their beliefs. Punishing people for their beliefs is certainly radical.
    Not in a religious context.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm suggesting that many religions have sanctions for apostasy. This is not at all uncommon, it's how the shepherds control the flock. If the ramifications for apostasy are not enforced by other believers, they are threatened in eternal terms (i.e., "You're going to burn in hell, sinner!!!"). Why do you hold Islam to a standard that you do not utilize for any other denomination or belief system?
    I do not absolve ANY religion for killing apostates.

    Having failed in your du toque argument, you are now zeroing in on the straw man.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Hate crimes?
    Assaulting or killing people involves action, not just belief.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Hate crimes?
    Oh god, we don't need to step into that hellhole of legislation. Hate crime legislation is straight up bull****.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I do not absolve ANY religion for killing apostates.
    What would you then see as "radical" when all agree that apostasy should be punished? - Gardner

    You did not specify "killing" anyone. Changing the goal posts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Having failed in your du toque argument, you are now zeroing in on the straw man.
    Not according to your question.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I do not absolve ANY religion for killing apostates.

    Having failed in your du toque argument, you are now zeroing in on the straw man.
    From your source:

    Sheikh Muhammad al-Gazali, a renowned Egyptian religious scholar who died in March 1996, ignited a debate within Islamic circles on the question of apostasy when he testified, in July 1993, at the trial of 13 Islamic militants accused of killing the Egyptian writer Farag Foda. Foda was an outspoken critic of radical Islamists, who accused him of apostasy. Al-Ghazali ruled than an apostate should be given time to repent. But his support of ultimately carrying out a death penatly roused other scholars to argue for leniency and a reinterpretation of Islamic law on this issue.

    "Those who blasphemed and back away from the ways of Allah and die as blasphemers, Allah shall not forgive them." (Nisa Ayah, 48)

    The Koran is not explicit on this point, however. And many Muslim scholars argue that punishment for apostates and blasphemers is not be exacted on earth, but by God. They point to a verse in the Koran (Nisa Ayah, 48) that speaks only of Allah's retribution: "Those who blasphemed and back away from the ways of Allah and die as blasphemers, Allah shall not forgive them."
    This is no different from Christianity...the unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which many see as apostasizing from the faith.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 05-10-10 at 11:57 AM.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Assaulting or killing people involves action, not just belief.
    But your point was that we don't punish beliefs. We do. Hate crimes legislation tacks on an additional sentence IN ADDITION TO THE SENTENCE FOR THE CRIME, which is tantamount to punishing beliefs.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    It doesn't bother me one bit. If they wanted to build a mosque on the site of the WTC, that would be fine too. At least something is being done in this economy and there will be jobs created.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Missed a word.

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