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Thread: Mosque near WTC moves forward

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You can find plenty in the Bible that is violent and advocates for the killing of all kinds of people, maybe we should limit where they build churches.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Not in the New Testament, my friend.

    Wiseone you forgot.

    Christians pick and choose what they want to keep from the Old Testament, while hiding behind the "New Testament" for the things they don't like out of the Old Testament.....
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Christians pick and choose what they want to keep from the Old Testament, while hiding behind the "New Testament" for the things they don't like out of the Old Testament.....
    Sounds like it's d@mned if you do, d@mned if you don't. If a person chooses to go with everything everything, they are a fundie. If they show some actual discernment, they are accused of picking and choosing.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I haven't said otherwise, Blackdog. All I said was a mosque in that spot wasn't such a great idea.
    This has nothing to do with the comment I made that you quoted here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Also, that comparing Christian and Islamic terrorism as if there were some equivalency is like comparing firecrackers and nukes.
    It does not matter. The Majority of Muslims are not terrorists and judging them by the minority is wrong. It is not better than when people judge Christians by things like the priest molestation scandal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Wiseone you forgot.

    Christians pick and choose what they want to keep from the Old Testament, while hiding behind the "New Testament" for the things they don't like out of the Old Testament.....
    I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. I will say that is absolutely not true.

    The laws laid down in the OT were for God's chosen the Israelites. The laws in the NT are for all who came after Jesus died on the cross including gentiles.

    Huge difference.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. I will say that is absolutely not true.

    The laws laid down in the OT were for God's chosen the Israelites. The laws in the NT are for all who came after Jesus died on the cross including gentiles.

    Huge difference.

    So then, why are Christians so hung up on the 10 Commandments if the 10 Commandments are not for them?

    Hell, Christians focus more on the 10 Commandments than the Jews do.

    Not to mention Jews don't seem to focus too much on homosexuality, also from the Old Testament
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So then, why are Christians so hung up on the 10Commandments if the 10 Commandments are not for them?
    Jesus pointed out which of the commandments were for us.

    Matthew 19:16-19, "If you want to enter life, obey the commandments. You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and your mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself"'.

    Can't make it any simpler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Hell, Christians focus more on the 10 Commandments than the Jews do.
    I guess you hang out at allot of Synagogues?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not to mention Jews don't seem to focus too much on homosexuality, also from the Old Testament
    When was the last time you met a gay Jew?

    If you are not a Christian, please don't insult me by telling me about my own religion when you have no clue.

    PS forgot to mention. I know the OT or Torah does not mention lesbianism as a sin. I am not certain how Rabbi's handle that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And yet, there is no getting around the fact that the 9/11 hijackers were Muslims motivated by Jihad. I get a little baffled sometimes by people who don't seem to want to recognize that little fact, or the undeniable truth that Islam seems to produce an aweful lot of terrorists. How many of the most recent 100 suicide bombers were Muslim? Is the number 99 or 100? Has any other religion produced 100 suicide bombers in the past decade... or even 10?
    I don't care. These Muslims along with the vast majority of Muslims have nothing to do with Jihad. Come one Goshin. I expect better arguments from you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ever lost a loved one to murder? It is very hard not to hate the perpetrators and anyone associated with them. I think this is at least arguably, a bit insensitive to the families of the 9/11 victims.
    That's like saying that because a Hispanic killed your loved one, you can't deal with Hispanics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Doesn't anyone else find it just a smidge odd, that WE are supposed to be uber-sensitive to the needs, wants, feelings and sensibilities of EVERYONE else, yet nobody seems to give a good flying **** if something might offend US?
    It's not about sensitivity. They've got the money and the permits. It's up to them.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    EffoTib asked me to post Surah 5 Verse 51 in context so he could point out that its meaning changed when posted in context. So here it is. Im not going to post all 120 verses of surah 5 just the ones leading up to and after 51. He will find that it means exactly what it says. In Surah 5 thier is much distrust and hatred directed towards Jews. No wonder Muslims today hate Jews so much.

    Quran Surah 5 verse 51

    Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

    Surah 5 is called Al-Maeda it means "the table and the table spread"

    there are 120 verses in Surah 5 of the Quran. Surah 5 sets out rules believers must adhere to.

    They include rules on food, symbolism, hygene, marriage, and prayer. Begining with verse 12 deals with the people of the book, Jews and Christians. The verses in the 30's deal with punishment for disbelievers.
    Verse 38 deals with punishment for thievery. Cutting off both hands is a reward of thier own deeds and an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
    Verse 39, allahs mercy for those who repent.
    Verse 40 Do you not know that Allah-- His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He chastises whom He pleases; and forgives whom He pleases and Allah has power over all things.
    Verse 41 O Messenger! let not those grieve you who strive together in hastening to unbelief from among those who say with their mouths: We believe, and their hearts do not believe, and from among those who are Jews; they are listeners for the sake of a lie, listeners for another people who have not come to you; they alter the words from their places, saying: If you are given this, take it, and if you are not given this, be cautious; and as for him whose temptation Allah desires, you cannot control anything for him with Allah. Those are they for whom Allah does not desire that He should purify their hearts; they shall have disgrace in this world, and they shall have a grievous chastisement in the hereafter.
    Verse 42 listeners of a lie, devourers of what is forbidden; therefore if they come to you, judge between them or turn aside from them, and if you turn aside from them, they shall not harm you in any way; and if you judge, judge between them with equity; surely Allah loves those who judge equitably.
    Verse 43 And how do they make you a judge and they have the Taurat wherein is Allah's judgment? Yet they turn back after that, and these are not the believers.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Jesus pointed out which of the commandments were for us.

    Matthew 19:16-19, "If you want to enter life, obey the commandments. You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and your mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself"'.

    Can't make it any simpler.
    Yeshu also said this...

    Matthew 5:17-19
    Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    Quite clearly, Yeshu is stipulating that his theology is dependent upon and irrevocably intertwined with Torah. Not partially, but in-toto. In short, one cannot discard Jewish theology and remain faithful to the Good Word.

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    continued....
    Verse 44Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves (to Allah) judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard (part) of the Book of Allah, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers.
    Verse 45And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds; but he who foregoes it, it shall be an expiation for him; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the unjust.
    Verse 46And We sent after them in their footsteps Jesus, son of Mary, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard against evil.
    Verse 47 And the followers of the Injeel (People of the Gospel) should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.
    Verse 48 And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed.
    When America is strong the world is calm, When America is weak tyrants and terrorist slaughter the meek. ~ SgtRock

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