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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Our Constitution does not recognize acts committed by others no matter what size as a reason to persecute or other wise treat differently under the law.
    I haven't said otherwise, Blackdog. All I said was a mosque in that spot wasn't such a great idea. Also, that comparing Christian and Islamic terrorism as if there were some equivalency is like comparing firecrackers and nukes.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    EgoffTib, I am going out to have supper and a couple beers. When I get back I will post the quotes from the quran I posted IN CONTEXT so you can try to explain to me how they really don't mean what they say, ok.

    It is saturday night in Texas afterall.
    You can find plenty in the Bible that is violent and advocates for the killing of all kinds of people, maybe we should limit where they build churches.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You can find plenty in the Bible that is violent and advocates for the killing of all kinds of people, maybe we should limit where they build churches.

    Not in the New Testament, my friend.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    So weigh in -- is this all OK due to the stated intent, or is it NOT okay and this type of outreach building should be built somewhere not so close to the site of 9/11?

    This situation transcends the event, 9/11. It has to.


    It is a fact, despite the inventions and illusions of the ignorant, that our current endeavors has far more to do with a civilization between Cairo and Islamabad than it does an old man in a cave. This doesn't mean that our enemy is Islam and all those who adhere to it, especially in that socially wrecked region called the Middle East. But it does mean that Westerners, especially Americans, and Muslims, especially those in America, absolutely must to come to agreed upon ground.

    A mosque in such close proximity of the World Trade Center's ghost may be tacky to many. But this is also an opportunity to prove to millions of Muslims in the Middle East that our war is not against Islam, for which Muslim reformists have always agreed. We are up against such a high concentrated percentage of ignorance, religious fundementalism, and lack of education in this region that these kinds of displays matter. Especially to those Muslims who receive their global "intel" from outlets like Al-Jazeer and the House of Saud's idea of "proper" education.

    Of course, other displays of friendship or good will have gone largely ignored by the masses in the region. Muslims were saved in Kuwait and in Bosnia by American troops and diplomacy. And would the Middle East have been in better hands under a Soviet roof rather than an American one throughout the Cold War? Tens of millions of oppressed and brutalized Muslims in the Caucusus would disagree. Maybe a mosque in this location will make a difference in stating that our enemy is not Islam (though it is the key ingredient to the region's problems) to the civilization that breeds our enemies.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You can find plenty in the Bible that is violent and advocates for the killing of all kinds of people, maybe we should limit where they build churches.
    The problem isn't what's written. It's the example and prescription set by the inspirations (creators). This continual argument that the similarity between holy books exonerates the religions is a celebration of ignorance. People should think deeper...or simply continue hanging on the words of politicians and media sluts for their "wisdom."
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Because the crusades happened hundreds of years ago. And only a few examples of Christains killing for thier god are relevant today. 99% of the murdering in the name of god these days is being done by muslims waging holy war around the globe. Tell me where Im wrong, please.
    You're being selective.

    Money and greed has killed more people than probably all religions of the earth put together, yet I dont see you decrying the idea of Capitalism. You are intellectually lazy with no will to do anything but tear down anything you wont understand or bully around.

    By the way, this is also out of the Qur’an

    109:1 Say: O disbelievers!
    109:2 I worship not that which ye worship;
    109:3 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
    109:4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
    109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
    109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    You're being selective.

    Money and greed has killed more people than probably all religions of the earth put together, yet I dont see you decrying the idea of Capitalism. You are intellectually lazy with no will to do anything but tear down anything you wont understand or bully around.
    It could be that he merely addresses the issue at hand and doesn't pretend to not see it for sake of appearing better than others. You are attempting to equate economic practicalism and religious apocalypticalism. Do you honestly fear a man and his checkbook over a man who hears God's veangeful voice in his head? One can be brought to terms with and dealt with. One cannot without convincing him that his ideals of God are all wrong. Which one is more dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    By the way, this is also out of the Qur’an

    The common term isn't what does the Bible state . The common term is "what would Jesus do?"

    The Qur'an prescribes much of the same violence and peace that the Bible does. But how confused do Muslims get when someone states "what would Muhammad do?"

    Christianity's advantage is that it's roots go back further than Peter. It goes back to a liberal pacifist. Christianity also went through a violent reformation that removed power from Rome and gave it to the individual. Islam's root is not one of pacifism and it has never gone through a reformation. Mecca continues to hold controlling authority, which means power continues to come from above (and whatever jack-ass decides is God's will.)
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It could be that he merely addresses the issue at hand and doesn't pretend to not see it for sake of appearing better than others. You are attempting to equate economic practicalism and religious apocalypticalism.
    Because only one can really kill you.

    Do you honestly fear a man and his checkbook over a man who hears God's veangeful voice in his head?
    Yeah, I do. There are worse things than death and the man with the checkbook can do more of them.

    The common term isn't what does the Bible state . The common term is "what would Jesus do?"

    The Qur'an prescribes much of the same violence and peace that the Bible does. But how confused do Muslims get when someone states "what would Muhammad do?"
    I dont give a **** what Jesus or Muhammed would do, that isnt the issue. The issue is you are mentally stuck on an idea and nothing anyone says or does will dislodge it
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    The issue is you are mentally stuck on an idea and nothing anyone says or does will dislodge it
    From where I sit, I'd say it is those who refuse to see what is plain to be seen who are stuck on an idea. Apologia may earn one props from certain quarters, but is the acknowledgement of those matters others find too uncomfortable to address that displays that one's mind is not stuck.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I'd hate American too
    Then get the **** out.

    ....the current state of our penal system.
    I see nothing wrong with its current state. So far nobody has come back with any stats in another thread where I requested they look at the data regarding Mitigating/Aggravating Factors and prior convictions when they use statistics that blacks typically get sentenced to longer punishment than whites. Look that up and get back to me.

    Every time I read a thread about how they ought to just buck up and try harder and stop idolizing criminals and being whiners and crybabies and lazy crackheads, and then maybe they'd have it as good as white people.
    Maybe more blacks should stop idolizing criminals.....

    If I were black, I'd hate whites. I hate them anyway, half the time, on behalf of blacks. It embarrasses me to be white a lot of the time.
    Then kill yourself. kthnx

    Yet almost no blacks hate whites or wish them ill.
    Absolute ****ing bull****. Prove this one.


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