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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Is it still bigotry if I am simpley stating facts. If the Quran itself is evil and Allah is satan then how am I a bigot. Im just being honest. Something you have trouble with when it comes to the religion of peace and a huge stack of dead bodies.
    Whether a religion is "evil" or not is completely subjective. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. You can feel free to post your opinion as if it were a fact until the cows come home, but do not expect to be taken seriously.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Your calming that anything that is not Christan is the devils work is bigoted in it own way. They worship the same god as you just with a different name for that god, and a different prophet.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Is it still bigotry if I am simpley stating facts. If the Quran itself is evil and Allah is satan then how am I a bigot. Im just being honest.
    Yeah, and I could say that anybody who calls Allah satan is a failed abortion who deserves to die in a fire, but that doesn't make it true and it's not conducive to conversation at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Something you have trouble with when it comes to the religion of peace and a huge stack of dead bodies.
    I don't think you want to compare Islam's stack of dead bodies to Christianity's stack of dead bodies, or to nationalism's stack of dead bodies, or America's stack of dead bodies, and so on.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Your calming that anything that is not Christan is the devils work is bigoted in it own way. They worship the same god as you just with a different name for that god, and a different prophet.
    See, there you go again with the common sense. That's your first mistake.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    See, there you go again with the common sense. That's your first mistake.
    Yes it is good to read actually.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Is it still bigotry if I am simpley stating facts. If the Quran itself is evil and Allah is satan then how am I a bigot. Im just being honest. Something you have trouble with when it comes to the religion of peace and a huge stack of dead bodies.
    Am I being a bigot if i say that I would be glad to see the day WASP dominance leaves America because it's history within the past century has killed more humans than Mexicans have their entire history? Maybe I am just stating a fact.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    If you would like to discuss a specific Sura, please post it.
    Sura [9:74] They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them.

    Sura [4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies.

    Sura [9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.

    There are numerous Hadiths which proscribe death for apostasy (9:83:17, 4:52:260, 9:84:57, 9:84:58, and 9:89:271).

    Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:

    Narrated 'Abdullah:

    Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

    Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:

    Narrated Ikrima:

    Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

    Narrated 'Ikrima:

    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:

    Narrated Abu Burda:

    Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

    Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:

    Narrated Abu Musa:

    A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle

    Bukhariís Hadith Collection

    Bukhari, volume 9, #17

    "Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

    Bukhari, volume 9, #57

    Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

    Bukhari, volume 9, #58

    Narrated Abu Bruda, "Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa. Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and hen reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....

    Bukhari volume 4, #656:

    Narrated Ibn Abbas:
    Allah's Apostle said, "You will be resurrected (and assembled) bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised." The Prophet then recited the Divine Verse:-- "As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: A promise We have undertaken. Truly we shall do it." (21.104)

    He added, "The first to be dressed will be Abraham. Then some of my companions will take to the right and to the left. I will say: 'My companions! 'It will be said, 'They had been renegades since you left them.' I will then say what the Pious Slave Jesus, the son of Mary said: 'And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them; when You did take me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if you forgive them, You, only You are the All-Mighty the All-Wise.' "

    (5.117-118) Narrated Quaggas, "Those were the apostates who renegade from Islam during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr who fought them".

    Muslimís Hadith Collection


    Chapter 9: COMMAND FOR FIGHTING AGAINST THE PEOPLE SO LONG AS THEY DO NOT PROFESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER

    Book 001, Number 0029:

    It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that when the Messenger of Allah breathed his last and Abu Bakr was appointed as his successor (Caliph), those amongst the Arabs who wanted to become apostates became apostates. 'Umar b. Khattab said to Abu Bakr: Why would you fight against the people, when the Messenger of Allah declared: I have been directed to fight against people so long as they do not say: There is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was granted full protection of his property and life on my behalf except for a right? His (other) affairs rest with Allah. Upon this Abu Bakr said: By Allah, I would definitely fight against him who severed prayer from Zakat, for it is the obligation upon the rich. By Allah, I would fight against them even to secure the cord (used for hobbling the feet of a camel) which they used to give to the Messenger of Allah (as zakat) but now they have withheld it. Umar b. Khattab remarked: By Allah, I found nothing but the fact that Allah had opened the heart of Abu Bakr for (perceiving the justification of) fighting (against those who refused to pay Zakat) and I fully recognized that the (stand of Abu Bakr) was right.

    Chapter 6: WHEN IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO TAKE THE LIFE OF A MUSLIM

    Book 016, Number 4152:

    'Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported Allah's Messenger as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community.

    Muwatta of Imam Malik


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    Zaid b. Aslam reported that the Apostle declared that the man who leaves the fold of Islam should be executed.

    And once again in all 5 schools of Islamic Jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali, and Ja'fari) the punishment for apostasy is death.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Oh, man, am I gonna have to dig out my List of Nasty Bible Verses(tm) again?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Here are just a few. Let me know if you need more. I only wish to help you to understand that Islam is evil.


    Qur'an 5:51
    "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."

    Qur'an 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth, People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low."

    Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle, smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Oh, man, am I gonna have to dig out my List of Nasty Bible Verses(tm) again?
    Go for it I'm an atheist. Christianity is bat**** crazy too, just not as bat**** crazy as Islam.

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