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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No that doesn't actually cover it, by your definition someone who is completely stubborn and intolerant of Nazism is likewise a bigot.
    And that would be true.

    "Bigot" in itself is a neutral term. You associate it with something other than it is. We are all bigots in one form or another, this does not make it bad.

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    Yes I suppose if intolerance of intolerant ideologies equates to bigotry.
    Christianity and Islam or any religion is not "intolerant" in and of itself. Again that is a blanket statement.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That's not what he said. He said "Christains do not act violently in the name of there god."

    This as you and I have shown is a lie.

    Statism does not cut it. The Constitution is clear on this.

    That is why, rather than agreeing with either of you, I presented my own viewpoint: that it is a matter of scale.


    Terrorism committed in the name of Islam is a boulder twenty feet high massing five hundred tons. Terrorism committed in the name of Christianity is a pebble smaller than a marble.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So do Nazi's and Communists, how does that make Nazism or Communism any less antithetical to individual liberty?
    Hello, Godwin!

    Get back to me when you have a reasonable point to make.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    So do Nazi's and Communists, how does that make Nazism or Communism any less antithetical to individual liberty?
    Irrelevant. They have the freedom and do you as long as they do not infringe on someone else's rights. If that happens criminal prosecution takes over.

    It's the way our system worls.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You still haven't told me that the acceptable ratio of militants to moderates is.
    Until so called moderates prove otherwise by standing up in force and condemning and pointing out the militants amongst them. Until so called moderates take back thier religion and reform Islam. There is not an acceptable ratio.

    When the cry of Allahu Akbar is no longer heard before an explosion and death of innocents, when muslims respect the rights of women and treat them as equals, when muslims, christians, and jews can co-exist in peace everywhere including Israel then and only then will there be anything that is acceptable. Until then we struggle to maintain freedom and liberty here at home and help to spread freedom and democracy throughout the world.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That is why, rather than agreeing with either of you, I presented my own viewpoint: that it is a matter of scale.


    Terrorism committed in the name of Islam is a boulder twenty feet high massing five hundred tons. Terrorism committed in the name of Christianity is a pebble smaller than a marble.
    Our Constitution does not recognize acts committed by others no matter what size as a reason to persecute or other wise treat differently under the law.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Until so called moderates prove otherwise by standing up in force and condemning and pointing out the militants amongst them. Until so called moderates take back thier religion and reform Islam. There is not an acceptable ratio.

    When the cry of Allahu Akbar is no longer heard before an explosion and death of innocents, when muslims respect the rights of women and treat them as equals, when muslims, christians, and jews can co-exist in peace everywhere including Israel then and only then will there be anything that is acceptable. Until then we struggle to maintain freedom and liberty here at home and help to spread freedom and democracy throughout the world.
    Okay, so since there is no acceptable ratio, the existence of Christian militants is just as abhorrent to you as the existence of Muslim militants, which means the two religions are equally defaced by such individuals.

    Glad we agree.

    Also, it may be that millions of moderate Muslims in America are failing to point out the militants in their midst because, well, they may not know who there are.

    ETA: In addition, it may well be that millions of moderate Muslims in America are failing to take to the streets to condemn militants because they figure that no reasonable person would associate them with doers of evil
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And that would be true.

    "Bigot" in itself is a neutral term. You associate it with something other than it is. We are all bigots in one form or another, this does not make it bad.
    Fine you're a bigot and tolerant of intolerance to boot. If that's your standard of bigotry then go ahead of label me a bigot of violent intolerant ideologies.

    Christianity and Islam or any religion is not "intolerant" in and of itself. Again that is a blanket statement.
    Really? So Christian Identity isn't intolerant? Give me a ****ing break. That's like saying that Nazism isn't inherently intolerant.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Hello, Godwin!
    Perhaps you can explain the difference. How does subscribing to an ideology which is antithetical to individual liberty whilst in an open society make the ideology any less antithetical to liberty?


    Get back to me when you have a reasonable point to make.
    The only thing that I see here is unreasonable is that when someone slaps the "god" label on a bat**** crazy belief structure that you people expect it to get a free pass. If anything asserting that their bat**** crazy belief system is mandated by an imaginary man in the sky makes it even more bat**** crazy.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Our Constitution does not recognize acts committed by others no matter what size as a reason to persecute or other wise treat differently under the law.
    Actually it does for example the civil lawsuit against the United Klans of America, Donald v. United Klans of America in which the "agency theory" was set into precedent which holds that corporations are responsible for the deeds of employees acting according to the corporation's principles.

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