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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Slavery in the USA ended about 150 years ago; some people are still bent out of shape over it. Witness the furor over the Confederate flag.
    You say that if one form idiocy justifies another.

    That said, are you saying that mosques are the symbol of Islamic militants? They're not. They're the symbol of Islam.

    Get it straight.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    How many Christian suicide bombings, car bombings, school burnings, and plots to commit mass murder in the name of god have you heard of lately? Or even in the past 20 years?
    You mean like the guy who walked into church and shot the abortion doctor?

    "A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994." - BBC News | Africa | Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide

    How many children were raped by Catholic priests?

    Christians are far from blameless for senseless acts of violence by the minority.

    The difference is we don't hold the whole of Christianity responsible for the acts of Zealots.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    How many Christains shout "god is great" before commiting murder of innocents?

    How many Christains have said "god is great" before they filmed themselfs cutting of the head of an innocent contractor?
    None that I know of in the last 20 years. That means nothing though considering the amount of violence the minority has caused in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Go ahead, make your list, and I will post one hundred stories of islamic terrorist who murdered innocents in the name of Allah. NAd it will be easy for me to find them because they happen so often.

    You sir are an appoligist for the evil that is Islam.
    Oh now I am an Islamic apologist.

    Yea we are done here.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Originally Posted by SgtRock
    Christains do not act violently in the name of there god.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is an out and out lie.
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    It's a question of scale. In modern times it is exceedingly rare for Christians to commit violence in the name of Christianity.

    Tim McVeigh acted in retaliation for the Waco massacre; the Branch Davidians were not really a Christian organization, imo. At best they were a fringe group that differed dramatically from mainstream Christianity.

    Eric Rudolph, the abortion clinic bomber, apparently isn't a Christian. I've read some of his correspondence and it is pretty clear that he isn't.

    The more recent murder of the abortion doctor, yes that guy apparently was a Christian and believed he was acting in God's name. Condemnation of his action by many Christian leaders was swift and firm.

    We remember these incidents and those who committed them...because of their rarity. Can anyone here name the last 10 Islamic suicide bombers off the top of their head?

    I did some research on this a few months ago. Over the past three decades, acts of terrorism committed in the name of Christianity were were very small, IIRC I think there were seven in which people died. Acts of terrorism in the name of Islam were in the thousands.

    It's like comparing firecrackers and nuclear bombs. In the one case, we're talking about a literal handful of fringe extremists that are roundly condemned by their religious leaders. On the other side, we're talking about thousands of terrorists who appear to garner the sympathy if not support of millions of their co-religionists.

    It simply isn't comparable.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You say that if one form idiocy justifies another.

    That said, are you saying that mosques are the symbol of Islamic militants? They're not. They're the symbol of Islam.

    Get it straight.

    Yes, and in my opinion, building a symbol of Islam within sight of Ground Zero, where 3000 Americans died at the hands of terrorists who were acting in the name of Islam, is in poor taste, unwise, and imprudent.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    From the historical perspective since the advent of islam during the 7th century, the conquest of islam (from medina to mecca and then swiping across to all of ME, Egypt, Spain, Persia and India like a wild fire) was marked by building of mosques over the sites of destructions of other religious temples or house of worship or hijacking them for conversion into mosques following the usual islamic great slaughters, rapes and plunders on other people’s lands.

    This practice, which they held as a sense of victorious prestige over those subdued much like a dog would pee over its territorial claim, was unique only to animalistic islamic cult. Therefore, the building of "Cordoba House" mosque being built 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC is simply an islamic stealth way of proclaiming victory over their infidels, of whom 3000 such souls were killed. For that they were proud for doing a good job for their allah who demanded for such in the koran. Whatever else they said out of their mouth is just taqiyya, which most muslims are good at it.

    Comparing islam and ground zero in 911 with Christianity and abortion clinics is a fallacy of false comparison. Those 3000 souls killed by the islamic terrorism weren’t in the twin towers to slaughter innocent unborn babies. Abortionists in abortion clinics are in there to slaughter innocent unborn human lives. Killing someone who is killing or about to kill another innocent human being is not the same as killing people who simply go to work that do not involve the shedding of innocent bloods.
    It depends what type of abortion they were practicing. If the fetus is capable of life outside the womb then it should not be killed but rather excised from the whom surgically and all medical care granted to it in order to insure its survival. The rationale for this using the non-aggression principle is that the woman may not have the right to aggress against the fetus and though the fetus may have the right to live, as owner of her own body the woman reserves the right to evict trespassers.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yes, and in my opinion, building a symbol of Islam within sight of Ground Zero, where 3000 Americans died at the hands of terrorists who were acting in the name of Islam, is in poor taste, unwise, and imprudent.
    I think it is in poor taste, unwise, and imprudent to brand Islam with the violence committed by a fairly small minority of its adherents.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It's a question of scale. In modern times it is exceedingly rare for Christians to commit violence in the name of Christianity.

    Tim McVeigh acted in retaliation for the Waco massacre; the Branch Davidians were not really a Christian organization, imo. At best they were a fringe group that differed dramatically from mainstream Christianity.

    Eric Rudolph, the abortion clinic bomber, apparently isn't a Christian. I've read some of his correspondence and it is pretty clear that he isn't.

    The more recent murder of the abortion doctor, yes that guy apparently was a Christian and believed he was acting in God's name. Condemnation of his action by many Christian leaders was swift and firm.

    We remember these incidents and those who committed them...because of their rarity. Can anyone here name the last 10 Islamic suicide bombers off the top of their head?

    I did some research on this a few months ago. Over the past three decades, acts of terrorism committed in the name of Christianity were were very small, IIRC I think there were seven in which people died. Acts of terrorism in the name of Islam were in the thousands.

    It's like comparing firecrackers and nuclear bombs. In the one case, we're talking about a literal handful of fringe extremists that are roundly condemned by their religious leaders. On the other side, we're talking about thousands of terrorists who appear to garner the sympathy if not support of millions of their co-religionists.

    It simply isn't comparable.
    That's not what he said. He said "Christains do not act violently in the name of there god."

    This as you and I have shown is a lie.

    Statism does not cut it. The Constitution is clear on this.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    They were more tolerant on many social issues that modern fundamentalists. For example, homosexuality wasn't persecuted and woman were treated better.
    I would like to see some actual evidence for that.

    Most importantly, the Ottomans allowed for relatively large amounts of religious freedom.
    Not for polytheists and Christians and Jews were still 3rd class citizens.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well lets define the term "bigotry"...

    "1.stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

    Yep that covers it.
    No that doesn't actually cover it, by your definition someone who is completely stubborn and intolerant of Nazism is likewise a bigot.

    Not according to the dictionary.
    Yes I suppose if intolerance of intolerant ideologies equates to bigotry.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Even if you're right, in places like America, people can freely choose to be Muslim or not, and Muslims co-exist peacefully with non-believers.
    So do Nazi's and Communists, how does that make Nazism or Communism any less antithetical to individual liberty?

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