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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    They certainly weren't tolerant either.
    They were more tolerant on many social issues that modern fundamentalists. For example, homosexuality wasn't persecuted and woman were treated better. Most importantly, the Ottomans allowed for relatively large amounts of religious freedom.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    There is a difference. Christainity has gone through a reformation Islam has not.
    So what? It did not change the Bible.

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    Christains do not act violently in the name of there god.
    That is an out and out lie.

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    They do not take the bible literaly.
    Another lie.

    Many Christians would tell you that is Heresy and blasphemy.

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    Muslims are required to submit totally.
    As are Christians.

    "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

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    They must take the Quran literally because Allah is perfect and therefor allah is perfect. And if Allah demands that his followers kill infidels in holy war then as submitting believers, muslims must serve Allah by wageing jihad against infidels.
    Again many Christians would school you on the perfection of the Bible and how it is to be taken literally. If this was not the case, we would not have a museum that claims humans existed with dinosaurs. And it is not just a few Christians either.

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    Its that simple. Ask a muslim if he or she can disregard the parts of the Quran they disagree with and still be considered a muslim?
    Ask a born again Christian the same question.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I don't see how judging someone on their belief system is akin to bigotry, ones belief system is something they control unlike their skin color, ethnicity, nationality etc. By your reasoning one is a bigot for disliking Nazi's, Communists, members of the KKK etc.
    Well lets define the term "bigotry"...

    "1.stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

    Yep that covers it.

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    You resorted to a ad-hominem logical fallacy by calling me a bigot, that hardly proves my point invalid.
    Not according to the dictionary.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Under Islam there is no freedom of religion, there is no freedom of speech, etc in fact the definition of the word Islam is submission IE Muslims view being a slave to god as a virtue.
    Even if you're right, in places like America, people can freely choose to be Muslim or not, and Muslims co-exist peacefully with non-believers.

    Try again.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    They are muslim. There is no freedom under Islam only total submission to Allah. Therefor they are enimies of freedom. And when if ever there population increases in the United States to levels of majority there will be no freedom in the USA.
    If anybody is deprived of freedom under Islam in America, it's self-deprivation, and thus still freedom.

    Try again.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You. Don't. Get. It. Goshin.

    9/11 was committed by bad people who happened to be extremist Muslim.

    Many Muslims are not extremist, and did not condone the horrible act that happened on that bleak day in September.

    Focus on the "bad" part, and not the "Muslim" part.

    It is my opinion that you are the one who doesn't get it.

    If 9/11 had been committed by a group of people who were, oh I dunno pick some cause out of a hat, let's say PETA in retaliation for commercial meat farming just to be silly... and it just so happened that they were all Muslim...that would be different.

    9/11 was not just committed by Muslims, it was committed in the name of Islamic jihad. The next day we saw video of (some) Muslims around the world dancing and celebrating this act. Condemnation of 9/11 by Islamic religious figures was slow and scant, and remains scant.

    Does this mean that Joe Avg Muslim was happy about 9/11 and supported it? Possibly not, but Joe Muslim did not cry out against it in large numbers. Possibly because Joe Muslim was afraid of what the Imams and extremists would do to him if he did.... which ought to tell you something right there.

    As I've said, I don't blame all Muslims for 9/11. However, I have been and remain disappointed that condemnation of such terrorism by Islamic religious authorities is and has remained relatively scarce. A few brave Imams have spoken out against terrorism, and I applaud them... but the majority have either expressed support or remained silent.

    I have no plans to march in protest against the WTC-site mosque, or to write NYC and beg them to withdraw their permit; I don't see it as that huge of a thing. I just think it isn't such a hot idea.

    If they put a big stone slab memorial out front, on which is etched the words "WE the people of this Islamic Mosque, hereby condemn the atrocity that was committed on 9/11 and express our sympathy for the victims and their families, and our solidarity as Americans against terrorism," and a couple dozen Imams associated with the mosque have their names engraved beneath, committing themselves to that statement, then I might feel differently.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    The problem for the critics is that if two blocks is insufficiently far enough for a mosque to be from the WTC, then in their opinion, what is the appropriate distance? Three blocks? Four? Not on Manhattan? Not in NYC? Not in the state? Not in the country? Not on this continent? Not on this planet? … What?

    The reality is that Muslims were working in the WTC when the planes hit; they were among the dead. Furthermore, violent Muslim fundamentalists have killed more Muslims than non-Muslims. The Pakistani people today are fighting against a wave of terror crimes being committed against them by violent fundamentalists.

    In the face of the many outrages perpetrated by violent Muslim fundamentalists against all people in the world, building a better understanding between Islam and the West is an exceedingly timely and relevant thing to do. We are allies. That is the purpose of this mosque and I can't imagine how any informed person could possibly be opposed to it.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So what? It did not change the Bible.



    That is an out and out lie.



    Another lie.

    Many Christians would tell you that is Heresy and blasphemy.



    As are Christians.

    "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."



    Again many Christians would school you on the perfection of the Bible and how it is to be taken literally. If this was not the case, we would not have a museum that claims humans existed with dinosaurs. And it is not just a few Christians either.



    Ask a born again Christian the same question.
    How many Christian suicide bombings, car bombings, school burnings, and plots to commit mass murder in the name of god have you heard of lately? Or even in the past 20 years?

    How many Christains shout "god is great" before commiting murder of innocents?

    How many Christains have said "god is great" before they filmed themselfs cutting of the head of an innocent contractor?

    Go ahead, make your list, and I will post one hundred stories of islamic terrorist who murdered innocents in the name of Allah. NAd it will be easy for me to find them because they happen so often.

    You sir are an appoligist for the evil that is Islam.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Go ahead, make your list, and I will post one hundred stories of islamic terrorist who murdered innocents in the name of Allah.
    You still haven't told me that the acceptable ratio of militants to moderates is.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think it's been almost 9 freaking years, and if they aren't over their grief enough to be able to tolerate the sight of a mosque, they've got problems that "a little consideration" isn't going to be able to fix.
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    Slavery in the USA ended about 150 years ago; some people are still bent out of shape over it. Witness the furor over the Confederate flag.

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