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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Like I said you live in an imaginary world where lots of different people live together peacefully. Right, get back with me when you wake up from this dream.
    Where the hell are you living, the USSR?!
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Right, and what about the violent things the Bible commands us to do?

    Are Christians who refuse to adhere to those tenets then not-Christians?
    In the 16th century Christianity went through a reformation. Something that ISlam has yet to do. Maybe someday Islam will reform (not likely) and we can live in this peaceful utopia you live in (in your mind). until then we are at war to protect freedom, liberty, and our way of life.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    This is a gross generalization that flies in the face of Muslims that are not about hurting anyone or making "jihad."
    Exactly.
    Anyway, as it was explained to me, "jihad" has multiple meanings and does not- in the moderate Islamic faith- refer to waging war against non-Muslims. It refers to waging an internal war against one's own baser instincts, and becoming a better, more righteous person. Much as Christians are instructed to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Sorry, you are wrong. What does Islam mean. Islam means submission. Total submission. That means you can't be a part time muslim and still be a muslim. Total submission means serving Allah . Part of serving Allah is fighting infidels in holy war or jihad. It is not an option according to the Quran.
    And what about all this lamb and shepherd nonsense?
    Are Christians not instructed to be totally submissive before their God?
    Can you be a "part time Christian"? The Christian God demands total submission. Total submission means serving Him.
    Part of serving God is to combat evil and sin, both within and without. This is jihad. That is what it means.
    It is not an option according to the Bible.

    I have known many middle-easterners of Islamic faith.
    I worked for one for years, in a small restaurant. Another was my regular cab driver when I was dancing. They became my friends over the years. They were gentle, peaceful men, hard-working and family oriented, with no violence or meanness in them.
    I talked to these guys a lot. They were kind and respectful men, intelligent and tolerant of our differences.
    After 9-11, rocks were thrown through the windows of Salid's restaurant where I used to work.
    Shortly after that, he had a stroke and became partially paralyzed. He was only in his 40s. It was a combination of the stress of working 15 hour days for years to build up his business from scratch, combined with the racism and hatred that he and his family were subjected to after the World Trade Center tragedy.

    I cared about both of these men; they were better people than most Westerners I have known, and neither ever once suggested that I or any other non-Islamic should follow the tenets of Islam.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    In the 16th century Christianity went through a reformation.
    It did not result in any kind of a revision to the Bible itself, which still contains many violent teachings. Christianity also has its violent extremists to this day, but like with Islam those extremists are in the extreme minority.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Something that ISlam has yet to do.
    Millions upon millions of peaceful Muslims would beg to differ.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Maybe someday Islam will reform (not likely) and we can live in this peaceful utopia you live in (in your mind). until then we are at war to protect freedom, liberty, and our way of life.
    We're not at war with the millions of peaceful Muslims. We're at war with a few hundred thousand radicals.

    The funny thing is, we made Al Qaeda the monster it is today.

    America has a history of inventing its own enemies, just saying.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    In the 16th century Christianity went through a reformation. Something that ISlam has yet to do. Maybe someday Islam will reform (not likely) and we can live in this peaceful utopia you live in (in your mind). until then we are at war to protect freedom, liberty, and our way of life.
    Just to be pedantic, Islam was actually quite fine until the 20th century when Wahabism, a belief from the 18th century, was finally utilized.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You. Don't. Get. It. Goshin.

    9/11 was committed by bad people who happened to be extremist Muslim.

    Many Muslims are not extremist, and did not condone the horrible act that happened on that bleak day in September.

    Focus on the "bad" part, and not the "Muslim" part.
    Oh please that's like saying that there were good Nazi's and good members of the KKK. Their ideology is bat**** crazy even more so then most theist ideologies and I see no other way to judge a person but on the ideology which they subscribe too. Because a theist says that their ideology comes form the lips of an imaginary man in the sky are they supposed to get a free pass? I don't think so. This is absolutely no different than putting up a confederate flag monument next to where MLK Jr. was shot or a Swastika monument next to Auschwitz.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Exactly.
    Anyway, as it was explained to me, "jihad" has multiple meanings and does not- in the moderate Islamic faith- refer to waging war against non-Muslims. It refers to waging an internal war against one's own baser instincts, and becoming a better, more righteous person. Much as Christians are instructed to do.



    And what about all this lamb and shepherd nonsense?
    Are Christians not instructed to be totally submissive before their God?
    Can you be a "part time Christian"? The Christian God demands total submission. Total submission means serving Him.
    Part of serving God is to combat evil and sin, both within and without. This is jihad. That is what it means.
    It is not an option according to the Bible.

    And do christians take the bible literally as musims must. Are Christians flying airplanes into buildings to serve thier god? Are Christains straping bombs to themselfs and killing in the name of Yahweh? Are they saying Yahweh is great as they detonate themselfs? You can use the rare example of Eric Rudolph if you like. But like I said, its rare. I can document aa hundred muslim jihadist for every Christian terrorist you can come up with.
    Last edited by SgtRock; 05-08-10 at 01:57 PM.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So what? Victimized people often blame the wrong people for their loss.
    We're not blaming people we're blaming an ideology. Islam is the problem, it is an insane ideology and people who follow it are suffering from mass delusion the same as any other theist belief structure, however, currently Islam is the worst of the bunch.

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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    And do christians take the bible literally as musims must.
    Yes the extremists Christians.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Are Christians flying airplanes into buildings to serve thier god? Are Christains straping bombs to themselfs and killing in the name of Yahweh? Are they saying Yahweh is great as they detonate themselfs?
    Many Christians kill in the name of God, even though it is wrong. Same goes for Islam.

    But you would rather compare Islam to radicals and Christians to moderates. How dishonest of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    You can use the rare example of Eric Rudolph if you like. But like I said, its rare. I can document aa hundred muslim jihadist for every Christian terrorist you can come up with.
    Statism, how did we not see that coming.
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    Re: Mosque near WTC moves forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is a gross generalization that flies in the face of Muslims that are not about hurting anyone or making "jihad."

    As I said; it's like holding Christians responsible for the Phelps family or those that bomb and kill at abortion clinics.

    Just bigotry on a grand scale.
    Islam is bigotry on a grand scale, their whole entire ideology is centered around the belief that non-Muslims are lesser people, the same as Christianity, the same as most theist belief structures.

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