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Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it?

Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it?

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Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

Isn't it fairly obvious to people here that wearing a flag on ones t-shirt is totally acceptable, and even considered patriotic, to most people? It's similar to wearing a hat indoors, kids addressing adults by their first names, and other things that were formally considered bad manners. You can cite some rule on flags from some boy scout rulebook all day long, but common sense tells me that it's okay to wear a flag on a t-shirt.
 
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Although you and I may not agree with what the school did, I do believe they have the right to make that decision. We don't know the whole story. If these guys did this just to cause trouble, kick their asses off campus.
 
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Mickey Shane said:
We're not talking about the world. It's a HS campus. It's been determined many times over that students do not have any rights at school. I don't hear anyone putting down the other aspects of the dress code. When a lad wants to wear long hair, everyone here sides with the school. What's the difference?
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Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

First impressions tells me these boys were intentionally trying to insult the Mexican-American students. Though these boys were being jackasses, they have a right to do so. They should have been allowed to wear the t-shirts, and anyone who threatened them should have been punished.
 
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jamesrage said:
Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it?

Yes
No
I do not know/maybe




Only in Commiefornia would something like this happen. Last I checked this was America, Not Mexico. So the so-called offended students have no business being offended by the American flag, nor did any teachers or administrators have any business telling the kids that they couldn't wear American flags on their clothes to not offend the Mexican and students and the students of Mexican decent.


Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees | NBC Bay Area

Updated 9:56 AM PDT, Thu, May 6, 2010

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On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.

Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.

"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

"They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.

The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."

"I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."

But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.

"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."
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I think if it were my kid, I'd put on my ACU, take my kid back to school and inform the principal that he was returning to class with the he shirt.
 
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Mellie said:
Wasn't there a kid sent home for taking down the Mexican flag from his school? I wouldn't care if that flag was just there for Cinco de Mayo, but it certainly shouldn't be there all the time. Does anyone know the full story yet?
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There was a kid who was punished for throwing a Mexican flag in the garbage after a student club got permission from the administration to put it up.
 
Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

What's the logic behind not being able to respect both a minority (mexicans) and a majority (americans) at the same time?
 
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repeter said:
What's the logic behind not being able to respect both a minority (mexicans) and a majority (americans) at the same time?
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There are no votes in it, no money to be made.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
The courts disagree, and have done so on several occasions.
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I agree. That's how we abolished the dress code back in my HS.

I didn't say that it was law. I said that it has been determined. By school admins all over the country. In the last 20 years.

If those boys can get kicked out of school for wearing anything, then I have zero sympathy for them. They would wear uniforms if the school board voted for them.

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I see I'm still the lone YES vote.
 
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Jucon said:
First impressions tells me these boys were intentionally trying to insult the Mexican-American students. Though these boys were being jackasses, they have a right to do so. They should have been allowed to wear the t-shirts, and anyone who threatened them should have been punished.
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If mexican americans get upset over the flag of the country they are living in they ought to GTF out of the USA
 
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TurtleDude said:
If mexican americans get upset over the flag of the country they are living in they ought to GTF out of the USA
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Damn right! I am so sick of that crap them getting all upset over our flag. Hello go the hell back home you do not like the USA FLAG:doh
 
Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

Bunch of ******s if you ask me.

Cant handle being American? Leave.
 
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Caine said:
Bunch of ******s if you ask me.

Cant handle being American? Leave.
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Doubtful since that would mean no free money, food or any other free stuff. :roll:
 
Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

The bette question is:

"Is it disrespectful to wear the US flag as clothing or use it as a fashion statement?"
 
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The Mark said:
While I strongly oppose the actions taken, a question has arisen from this thread.

If the students were actually causing or had the potential to cause a disruption due to their clothing choices, what were the school authorities supposed to do to prevent it? As I understand it, the action taken might have defused the immediate situation.

So was it the right answer at the time?
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The shirts never caused any problems before that day and hadn't caused any problems on that day. They should have been left alone. The school authorities might have taken the opportunity to explain that tolerance is a two way street, that there isn't anything offensive about the shirts, and that once they get out in the real world, nobody's going to watch over their oh so fragile feelings.

Someone mentioned earlier that as much as we may disagree with the school's actions, it is their choice to make. I agree. This, however, does not prevent consequences for bad decisions made by the administrators of that school. Personally, I think that anyone with so little respect for this country shouldn't be in charge of educating our children, especially since part of the curriculum is supposed to be teaching students how to be good citizens. The contracts of all the administrators involved in the decision to single these students out for harassment should not be renewed for the coming school year.




 
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emdash said:
United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10

Patriotic Customs



This code is the guide for all handling and display of the Stars and Stripes. It does not impose penalties for misuse of the United States Flag. That is left to the states and to the federal government for the District of Columbia. Each state has its own flag law.
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Actually this code applies only to the flag and not clothes with the flag emblazoned on it.
 
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Mellie said:
So you're okay with ANY t-shirt being worn to school no matter what it says?
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Did you read what I said? Because if you had you would have seen your question being answered and wouldn't need to repeat your stupid questions:

If you are offended by what some wear, you shouldn't be surprised when others are offended by what you wear.

I personally would establish uniforms for all schools. But that is only because I find most American kids look like trash when they go to school. American flag or no American flag. With that said, a gay pride shirt is not ANY t-shirt. It is a very specific t-shirt.
 
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Hatuey said:
I personally would establish uniforms for all schools.
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Totally agree. Schools are supposed to be learning institutions; "style" and "fashion" are just distractions which unnecessarily create petty divisiveness among students.
 
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1984 said:
"style" and "fashion" are just distractions which unnecessarily create petty divisiveness among students.
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... that don't suddenly disappear with the introduction with uniforms, IMO.

Kids still interact out of school and in school, and interactions surrounding fashion and style - including that which causes conflict - will still get dragged into the schoolhouse somehow.
 
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1984 said:
Totally agree. Schools are supposed to be learning institutions; "style" and "fashion" are just distractions which unnecessarily create petty divisiveness among students.
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The minute you try to explain to people that the reason our education system is a failure is not because we don't have good teachers or because we aren't putting enough money into it, they get scared.

Simple things which have been instituted in school boards worldwide would be great starts. A national curriculum, some uniforms, longer school years or days and a total remodeling of how we teach certain classes (history, science etc) would go a long way.

It is sad that people do not realize that simple measures would go a long way towards intellectually fixing our ignorant masses. We have millions of people in this country who are unemployable as anything other than low level employees. We have millions more who are simply unemployable and it all starts at the education level.

This is something I've stressed for a while now. The problem with ignorance in America comes because we simply do not teach kids to love learning. We teach them what a computer is before they know how to read books.

We are perpetuation a cycle of trash. We teach kids to dress like trash from the moment they enter school and so they act like trash. Label theory. But no, what people want is the freedom to teach their kids whatever they want to teach them. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about evolution FFS. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about proper sexual hygiene.
 
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Travelsonic said:
... that don't suddenly disappear with the introduction with uniforms, IMO.

Kids still interact out of school and in school, and interactions surrounding fashion and style - including that which causes conflict - will still get dragged into the schoolhouse somehow.
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I'm not saying the issue will totally evaporate, but it WILL be mitigated to some extent. Something is better than nothing.
 
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Hatuey said:
The minute you try to explain to people that the reason our education system is a failure is not because we don't have good teachers or because we aren't putting enough money into it, they get scared.

Simple things which have been instituted in school boards worldwide would be great starts. A national curriculum, some uniforms, longer school years or days and a total remodeling of how we teach certain classes (history, science etc) would go a long way.

It is sad that people do not realize that simple measures would go a long way towards intellectually fixing our ignorant masses. We have millions of people in this country who are unemployable as anything other than low level employees. We have millions more who are simply unemployable and it all starts at the education level.

This is something I've stressed for a while now. The problem with ignorance in America comes because we simply do not teach kids to love learning. We teach them what a computer is before they know how to read books.

We are perpetuation a cycle of trash. We teach kids to dress like trash from the moment they enter school and so they act like trash. Label theory. But no, what people want is the freedom to teach their kids whatever they want to teach them. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about evolution FFS. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about proper sexual hygiene.
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Although I appreciate where you're coming from, I would disagree with a nationally imposed curriculum. I feel the current system is already too rigid, and that it is overly fixated on forcing a "liberal arts" education on everyone. Some kids just aren't meant to learn about chemistry and geometry.

I think more latitude in educational choices would go a long way in better preparing certain students for the real world. I think reading is the ONLY thing that should be CONTINUALLY stressed throughout a child's public education; basic arithmetic and grammar skills should be established early on, and supplemented only at the parents' or child's discretion.

I'm a large proponent of trade schools being integrated into the public curriculum.

However, I definitely agree with your underlying sentiment about children and the intellectual malaise they seem conditioned to have. The only ones we can truly blame for this is parents, and that's a whole nother can of worms.
 
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Mickey Shane said:
I didn't say that it was law. I said that it has been determined. By school admins all over the country. In the last 20 years.
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If a judge says it when his robe is on and he's sitting behind the bench then, for all intents and purpses, it is law within his jurisdiction. His word has the force of law because his duty is to interpret the law.

As such, school admins can "determine" whatever the **** they want, and it doesn't mean ****.
 
Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

I love catholic school girl uniforms:twisted:
 
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