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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Totally agree. Schools are supposed to be learning institutions; "style" and "fashion" are just distractions which unnecessarily create petty divisiveness among students.
    The minute you try to explain to people that the reason our education system is a failure is not because we don't have good teachers or because we aren't putting enough money into it, they get scared.

    Simple things which have been instituted in school boards worldwide would be great starts. A national curriculum, some uniforms, longer school years or days and a total remodeling of how we teach certain classes (history, science etc) would go a long way.

    It is sad that people do not realize that simple measures would go a long way towards intellectually fixing our ignorant masses. We have millions of people in this country who are unemployable as anything other than low level employees. We have millions more who are simply unemployable and it all starts at the education level.

    This is something I've stressed for a while now. The problem with ignorance in America comes because we simply do not teach kids to love learning. We teach them what a computer is before they know how to read books.

    We are perpetuation a cycle of trash. We teach kids to dress like trash from the moment they enter school and so they act like trash. Label theory. But no, what people want is the freedom to teach their kids whatever they want to teach them. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about evolution FFS. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about proper sexual hygiene.
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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    ... that don't suddenly disappear with the introduction with uniforms, IMO.

    Kids still interact out of school and in school, and interactions surrounding fashion and style - including that which causes conflict - will still get dragged into the schoolhouse somehow.
    I'm not saying the issue will totally evaporate, but it WILL be mitigated to some extent. Something is better than nothing.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The minute you try to explain to people that the reason our education system is a failure is not because we don't have good teachers or because we aren't putting enough money into it, they get scared.

    Simple things which have been instituted in school boards worldwide would be great starts. A national curriculum, some uniforms, longer school years or days and a total remodeling of how we teach certain classes (history, science etc) would go a long way.

    It is sad that people do not realize that simple measures would go a long way towards intellectually fixing our ignorant masses. We have millions of people in this country who are unemployable as anything other than low level employees. We have millions more who are simply unemployable and it all starts at the education level.

    This is something I've stressed for a while now. The problem with ignorance in America comes because we simply do not teach kids to love learning. We teach them what a computer is before they know how to read books.

    We are perpetuation a cycle of trash. We teach kids to dress like trash from the moment they enter school and so they act like trash. Label theory. But no, what people want is the freedom to teach their kids whatever they want to teach them. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about evolution FFS. You have people complaining about their kids being taught about proper sexual hygiene.
    Although I appreciate where you're coming from, I would disagree with a nationally imposed curriculum. I feel the current system is already too rigid, and that it is overly fixated on forcing a "liberal arts" education on everyone. Some kids just aren't meant to learn about chemistry and geometry.

    I think more latitude in educational choices would go a long way in better preparing certain students for the real world. I think reading is the ONLY thing that should be CONTINUALLY stressed throughout a child's public education; basic arithmetic and grammar skills should be established early on, and supplemented only at the parents' or child's discretion.

    I'm a large proponent of trade schools being integrated into the public curriculum.

    However, I definitely agree with your underlying sentiment about children and the intellectual malaise they seem conditioned to have. The only ones we can truly blame for this is parents, and that's a whole nother can of worms.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I didn't say that it was law. I said that it has been determined. By school admins all over the country. In the last 20 years.
    If a judge says it when his robe is on and he's sitting behind the bench then, for all intents and purpses, it is law within his jurisdiction. His word has the force of law because his duty is to interpret the law.

    As such, school admins can "determine" whatever the **** they want, and it doesn't mean ****.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    I love catholic school girl uniforms

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I love catholic school girl uniforms
    Maybe that is why so many priests are gay. If they were straight we'd hear about far more girls in catholic schools being molested



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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Although I appreciate where you're coming from, I would disagree with a nationally imposed curriculum. I feel the current system is already too rigid, and that it is overly fixated on forcing a "liberal arts" education on everyone. Some kids just aren't meant to learn about chemistry and geometry.

    I think more latitude in educational choices would go a long way in better preparing certain students for the real world. I think reading is the ONLY thing that should be CONTINUALLY stressed throughout a child's public education; basic arithmetic and grammar skills should be established early on, and supplemented only at the parents' or child's discretion.

    I'm a large proponent of trade schools being integrated into the public curriculum.

    However, I definitely agree with your underlying sentiment about children and the intellectual malaise they seem conditioned to have. The only ones we can truly blame for this is parents, and that's a whole nother can of worms.
    I think that while parents are to be blamed to a large extent, people blame them for the wrong reasons. It's not the parents faults that when their kids come home with a book on biology, the parents say 'Well that's all garbage, the Bible says different'. I think the problem is MUCH larger.

    We have integrated religion and the dumb-it-down culture it comes into our schools. We have integrated it to the point where there are people in this country think Global Warming has something to do with local weather. Just read posts by some of our members on this forum. You'll be shocked at the stupidity that comes out of their mouths.

    People who have zero training or the intellectual curiosity to look at things beyond a layman's perspective are the telling their kids that science is junk. Have you ever heard of 'Teach The Controversy'? For years now the American right wing has actively push to teach creationism in our schools. While I have no problem with kids learning what creationism is, I do have a problem with the way it has been presented. It hasn't been presented as the opinion of a religious percentage of the population, it has been presented as the opinion of a sizable percentage of scientists. Creationism has no active support in any real sense from the scientific community, however there are evangelicals trying to teach that there is a split in thought among scientists.

    The issue in general is not one that falls on parents or their kids but on how we as a society have approached education.
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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    I agree that Creationism should be presented as an alternate theory ascribed to by a tiny percentage of scientists, who believe they have evidence to support a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis of the Bible. You could have one lesson on it, respectfully presented.

    It would be a good way to broaden the minds of the young people. They need to learn to learn about other viewpoints.

    When you think of it, ones belief in how life on Earth originated ultimately is fairly useless information, other than being interesting. So, learning about the various theories is really about becoming an educated person who can have a conversation about something other than American Idol. I don't think the educational system should ever be afraid of presenting a variety of ideas, even unpopular ones.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The principal's last name is Rodriguez, draw your own conclusions...
    That adds a new element. Clearly there is a race bias on the part of this principal. I believe it's time for Rodriguez to be fired. We cannot allow biggots to run schools.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    That adds a new element. Clearly there is a race bias on the part of this principal. I believe it's time for Rodriguez to be fired. We cannot allow biggots to run schools.
    From what I've read from you lately, would it be too brash to suggest that you think that everyone should be fired?
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