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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it?

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    Only in Commiefornia would something like this happen. Last I checked this was America, Not Mexico. So the so-called offended students have no business being offended by the American flag, nor did any teachers or administrators have any business telling the kids that they couldn't wear American flags on their clothes to not offend the Mexican and students and the students of Mexican decent.


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    On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.

    Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.

    "They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

    The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

    "They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.

    The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."

    "I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."

    But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.

    "I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."
    I would say that the school needs to fire those officials. The officials in that school are wrong from asking students to change their wardrobe to better suit other students.

    I think that vice principal needs to be canned.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Weird how you see no difference between a t-shirt promoting a sexual act and a shirt depicting the American flag. I'm failing to see the comparison.
    Homosexuality is not a sexual act. No wonder you fail to see the comparison. You don't even know what it is.
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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    If somebody's clothing is disruptive then generally administrators will handle it by having the student change; it doesn't really matter what it is that is disrupting or who is offended/distracted by it because that's not a concern of the administration.

    When I was in junior high a few friends started a "gang" where they wore a certain t-shirt, and even though it wasn't really a gang or anything the administration banned the t-shirt.

    The only people that are upset about this are the hypocrites that got all up in arms about Mexican flags at the immigrant rights marches.
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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Let's keep it real.

    Why were they wearing it? Obviously, I guess they kind of wanted to get caught and say "wait why is this wrong" to prove a point. Even I did a similar thing in high school. I mean one of the kids is wearing flag colored shorts (I think), its clear the purpose and reasoning behind it. Its definitely debatable as to whether that's truly ethical or not.

    However, its a valid argument. As we all know, high schools are prisons and the 1st Amendment is infringed upon day after day. Kicking the kids out of school is beyond wrong. I mean yes, go forth and celebrate Mexican culture and ethnicity, but why limit the expression of others just because it might incite a fight?

    I play the BS card.


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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Let's keep it real.

    Why were they wearing it? Obviously, I guess they kind of wanted to get caught and say "wait why is this wrong" to prove a point. Even I did a similar thing in high school. I mean one of the kids is wearing flag colored shorts (I think), its clear the purpose and reasoning behind it. Its definitely debatable as to whether that's truly ethical or not.

    However, its a valid argument. As we all know, high schools are prisons and the 1st Amendment is infringed upon day after day. Kicking the kids out of school is beyond wrong. I mean yes, go forth and celebrate Mexican culture and ethnicity, but why limit the expression of others just because it might incite a fight?

    I play the BS card.
    The school board has stated publicly that they disagreed with the actions of the administration. They noted there would be consequences. So... I guess the administrators will soon be hunting for a new job.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    While I strongly oppose the actions taken, a question has arisen from this thread.

    If the students were actually causing or had the potential to cause a disruption due to their clothing choices, what were the school authorities supposed to do to prevent it?

    As I understand it, the action taken might have defused the immediate situation.

    So was it the right answer at the time?
    Do what they must to promote a healthy respect for this country. I sympathize with Mexicans and other Hispanics who want to come here. I honestly do. But, I feel that 50 years ago, immigrants faced with a challenge like this from longer time citizen families would have sported their own AmericanaWear the very next day. This, to show their commitment to the country they have presumably adopted.

    But, not today. Instead, they are so full of themselves that they think they have a right to be Mexican (or Guatemalan or whatever) first, when they should be American first. I don't mind preserving your heritage, in fact I value it. But we are Americans, here.

    The fact that the young patriots knew the wearing would be 'incendiary' is telling of the attitudes of the Hispanics. It absolutely speaks of a disrespect from those students (any who were offended at the American colors) toward this country. The students should wear the clothing every day as a statement until things come to a head.

    Again, I absolutely support immigration. But I expect respect. No, I demand it.

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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Homosexuality is not a sexual act. No wonder you fail to see the comparison. You don't even know what it is.
    Um....ooooookaaaaaaay...... It's about sex. What's similar about wearing a t-shirting promoting same-sex or ANY sexual relationships and wearing a shirt with the flag on it?



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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    In my highschool the fact that they wore bandannas would have gotten them sent out. The fact that they refused to take their bandannas off would have sent them home for a week.
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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Um....ooooookaaaaaaay...... It's about sex. What's similar about wearing a t-shirting promoting same-sex or ANY sexual relationships and wearing a shirt with the flag on it?

    true-no one was ever prosecuted for merely being gay. People who prosecuted for engaging in homosexual sex. Gay rights demonstrations were mainly against archaic laws making "sodomy" illegal or more recently, against government non-recognition of gay marriages



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    Re: Should school kids be kicked off campus for t-shirts with the American flag on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Weird how you see no difference between a t-shirt promoting a sexual act and a shirt depicting the American flag. I'm failing to see the comparison.
    I think they're exactly the same. If you want to give students free symbolic speech, that includes both popular and unpopular, mainstream and deviant messages.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    apparently people who are hostile to the country that is giving them a free education might have been upset. Those are the ones whose heads should be cracked if they attacked people wearing american flags. If they are offended they should GTF out of the usa
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