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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Regarding the discussion of tackle vs. taser:

    Taser was the best option.

    The guy shouldn't have been there, would not leave on his own, and thus had to be removed forcibly.

    The taser option presented the least potential for harm.

    Tackling had the potential to harm both the tackler and the one tackled, with the probability of greater harm to both than a taser shock.

    Tasing had the potential to only harm the one tasered, with the probability of less harm than a tackle.

    So, overall it seems to have been a good move.
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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Football has a non-zero death rate too. And a MUCH higher injury rate. 40,000 concussions per year, 16 or so deaths on average per year, 200 cervical cord injuries per year, and close to 70 cerebral injuries. From... tackling!
    Weren't you the one who brought up that professional athletes are on a different stage than normal people? Hell if I were built like Urlacher, you'd better watch that I don't tackle you either.
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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Weren't you the one who brought up that professional athletes are on a different stage than normal people? Hell if I were built like Urlacher, you'd better watch that I don't tackle you either.
    1) Those aren't all professional, the stats include high school, college, and 'sandbox'
    2) The fact that they're trained and wearing protective equipment and STILL get injured only further proves my point.

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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    2) The fact that they're trained and wearing protective equipment and STILL get injured only further proves my point.
    They have to wear those pads and helmets because those folk are trained from a young age. And they body train a lot. A professional football player can generate ludicrous forces going full speed. But that's the point of it all. They're going all out and smashing into another person. A take down or tackle doesn't have to employ full force and can be an effective means of getting someone safely to the ground. If Ray Lewis was out there running out there full speed about to level the guy...yeah, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But in so much as it was police officers who have training in taking suspects to the ground, then not so much.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They have to wear those pads and helmets because those folk are trained from a young age. And they body train a lot. A professional football player can generate ludicrous forces going full speed. But that's the point of it all. They're going all out and smashing into another person. A take down or tackle doesn't have to employ full force and can be an effective means of getting someone safely to the ground. If Ray Lewis was out there running out there full speed about to level the guy...yeah, I would be more inclined to agree with you. But in so much as it was police officers who have training in taking suspects to the ground, then not so much.
    Even given the training police/guards might have had in how to take someone down, I think the taser option is the safer option.

    Why do you not think so?

    It seems obvious to me that it is safer.

    Am I missing something?
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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Is this poll and the results typical of today's American people?
    That a majority would want the 17 year old crucified?
    Lets hope not, else I must move to Canada.

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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Even given the training police/guards might have had in how to take someone down, I think the taser option is the safer option.

    Why do you not think so?

    It seems obvious to me that it is safer.

    Am I missing something?
    It's undue pain and has risk of death associated with it when something like a tackle or a take down would have must less risk associated with it and is well more called for during a trespassing crime where the suspect was not actually posing a threat to anyone.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Is this poll and the results typical of today's American people?
    That a majority would want the 17 year old crucified?
    Lets hope not, else I must move to Canada.
    See ya! Say hi to the moose. You might want to leave your drama queen crown at home tho unless you move to the big cities. I hear there are some rugged folk up in the north country.

    Seriously...who the hell is suggesting he be crucified? He was a stupid 17 year old that committed a stupid act and he was tased and arrested...he is already at home with mommy and daddy (where i hope his dad whipped his ass or at LEAST took away his cell phone and PS3 for a while). He will face a little punishment...mommy and daddy will pay his little fine...and all will be well with the world. As it should be.

    The problem is the whiny bitches that think the poor little 'child' was mistreated and should really just be held and nursed an understood...and think the cop should be criucified for stopping the kid from showing his ass.
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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's undue pain and has risk of death associated with it when something like a tackle or a take down would have must less risk associated with it and is well more called for during a trespassing crime where the suspect was not actually posing a threat to anyone.
    You think a tackle doesn't have undue pain and risk of death involved?
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    Re: Phillies Fan Tasered - Good Move or Bad Move?

    Taze him. That said.................

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