View Poll Results: What types of simulated/depicted child porn should be illegal?

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  • Photo shopped,cut and pasted/collage

    15 34.09%
  • Cartoons(western, anime and etc)

    9 20.45%
  • Still drawings

    10 22.73%
  • CGI/poser

    9 20.45%
  • other (please specify)

    4 9.09%
  • I do not know.

    2 4.55%
  • None of those things should be banned

    27 61.36%
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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Freedom of Speech. Pornography that harms children would not be protected by it.
    Freedom of speech isn't an acceptable argument. Take for example Traci Lords who starred in multiple porn movies as an underage girl. By the time people found out, there was no way you could make the claim that she was "harmed" - quite the opposite, her arrest and the government's insistence that all those movies be destroyed did a lot more harm to her than the porn.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Freedom of speech isn't an acceptable argument. Take for example Traci Lords who starred in multiple porn movies as an underage girl. By the time people found out, there was no way you could make the claim that she was "harmed" - quite the opposite, her arrest and the government's insistence that all those movies be destroyed did a lot more harm to her than the porn.
    I'm only referring to porn which doesn't involve real people.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The same reasoning that snuff films are illegal.
    But you could draw snuff or use CGI to make snuff and it shouldn't be illegal either. Nobody harmed = not illegal.
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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But you could draw snuff or use CGI to make snuff and it shouldn't be illegal either. Nobody harmed = not illegal.
    I totally agree and it can be simulated in film as well. Actually it is simulated in film all the time. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre comes to mind.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I totally agree and it can be simulated in film as well. Actually it is simulated in film all the time. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre comes to mind.
    The entire horror genre thrives on simulated snuff and torture. But of course, it's all special effects, it doesn't hurt anyone so it's entirely legal and extremely profitable.
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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Most of the people here have a good grasp on the consistent belief in personal responsibility and accountability.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    I was referring to your earlier statement:
    "Child Pornography is only illegal because you have to harm a child to make it."

    This is false and not supported by the cases you cite.
    Did you actually read the cases?

    From NY V. Ferber

    The distribution of photographs and films depicting sexual activity by juveniles is intrinsically related to the sexual abuse of children in at least two ways. First, the materials produced are a permanent record of the children's participation and the harm to the child is exacerbated by their circulation. 10 Second, the distribution network for child pornography must be closed if the production of material which requires the sexual exploitation of children is to be effectively controlled.
    I, of course, adhere to my view that, in the absence of exposure, or particular harm, to juveniles or unconsenting adults, the State lacks power to suppress sexually oriented materials.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    I feel like this is an area where the federal government has no business making any laws what so ever. This is more political than it is about the "children". Do you think the politicians in DC have any business regulating morality? Child porn is an issue used just like abortion to get votes. After all, who could be against "protecting children". If they really cared about the children, they would stop churches from filling their small undeveloped heads full of Jesus crap and a God that can see through walks, feeling sex is sinful, and sinners are punished. Children need to be told the truth. They need to know that their acme or waite problem has more to do with what they eat than where their hands were last night. Telling children crap like this does far more harm to a child then where and how he/she may have been touched. The issue is phony as a $3 bill.
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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksbrat View Post
    I feel like this is an area where the federal government has no business making any laws what so ever. This is more political than it is about the "children". Do you think the politicians in DC have any business regulating morality? Child porn is an issue used just like abortion to get votes. After all, who could be against "protecting children". If they really cared about the children, they would stop churches from filling their small undeveloped heads full of Jesus crap and a God that can see through walks, feeling sex is sinful, and sinners are punished. Children need to be told the truth. They need to know that their acme or waite problem has more to do with what they eat than where their hands were last night. Telling children crap like this does far more harm to a child then where and how he/she may have been touched. The issue is phony as a $3 bill.
    Abortion doesn't "get votes".
    It's legal, after all.
    It has been for going on forty years now (which is nearly as long as it was illegal), and there's no realistic possibility of that ever changing.

    I am completely against the government trying to regulate morality.
    I am fully supportive of minors having more rights and freedoms than they currently do, even if it means slightly less draconian "protections".
    I recognize that humans are sexual beings from birth.
    But the thing is, children deserve to own their own sexuality.
    I disapprove strongly, for instance, of adults who punish or shame their children for masturbating. It's their body, their right. They should be advised to retire to a private place if they want to do it, so that others won't have to see them. The end.
    I disapprove of adults who deflect their children's questions about their bodies. All serious questions should be answered in a calm, positive, affirmative and accepting manner (I say "serious" because children will ask some utterly ridiculous questions just to try your patience sometimes).

    And on that note: of course legislators should be involved in combating child porn. They should be more actively involved than they already are. Perpetrators should be punished to the fullest extent the law will allow. They are vile and reprehensible.
    If they had a true, adult understanding of the repercussions, no child would ever choose to appear in porn. That is my belief.
    Prepubescent children have no desire to parlay their immature sexuality into financial gain. It would never occur to them to do so. Appearing in pornography would never occur to them. They aren't even capable of truly understanding what the sex industry is about, or how it works.
    Since they are incapable of an adult understanding of the situation, adults must make that call for them until they're old enough to make it for themselves.

    Perverted, predatory adults don't want kids in porn because they care about children's rights. They want to use them for profit and sexual gratification.
    That is not respecting children's right to own their own bodies. That is attempting to strip children of their bodily sovereignty and commandeer their bodies and their sexuality for purposes beyond their comprehension.
    It's terrible and wrong, and it is accomplished via trickery, manipulation, threats, and intimidation. At best.

    We should all oppose child porn with every fiber of our beings.
    You make it sound as if anyone who opposes it is nothing more than colossal buttinski who wants to crap on everybody's parade.
    Everyone should oppose it. Everyone should want perpetrators apprehended and punished. It's that clearly wrong.
    It's beyond my understanding how anyone could be advocating for fewer (or no, in your case) laws prohibiting child porn.
    If you believe it's a children's rights stance you're taking, you couldn't be more misguided.
    Children do have a right to their own sexuality.
    Adults who lure them into porn for their own nefarious purposes are robbing them of that right.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Everyone should oppose it. Everyone should want perpetrators apprehended and punished. It's that clearly wrong.
    It's beyond my understanding how anyone could be advocating for fewer (or no, in your case) laws prohibiting child porn.
    First off, no one is advocating no laws prohibiting child porn, it's just how many and when does it stop. I believe we're on a "morality" slippery slope. Every politician makes political hay be being a stronger "protector of children" than his opponent, so now we're locking people up for life just for taking a picture. What's next, a federally mandated death sentence? Make a few common sense laws, let judges decide how much harm was done, and get politics out of it. That's what they do when sex isn't invalved
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