View Poll Results: What types of simulated/depicted child porn should be illegal?

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  • Photo shopped,cut and pasted/collage

    15 34.09%
  • Cartoons(western, anime and etc)

    9 20.45%
  • Still drawings

    10 22.73%
  • CGI/poser

    9 20.45%
  • other (please specify)

    4 9.09%
  • I do not know.

    2 4.55%
  • None of those things should be banned

    27 61.36%
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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I'm thankful our existing law isn't so shortsighted (and that our country isn't run by Libertarians). Child porn is illegal regardless of whether it does harm to the child.
    Er...I think he was referring to the fact that drawing a fictional character does not harm anyone. If the production of the pornography doesn't involve an actual child, then should it be illegal?

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Er...I think he was referring to the fact that drawing a fictional character does not harm anyone. If the production of the pornography doesn't involve an actual child, then should it be illegal?
    Right, and I'm saying that's a stupid, overly simplistic criteria. One we certainly don't use in dealing with "nonfictional" sources.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Er...I think he was referring to the fact that drawing a fictional character does not harm anyone.
    And no, he also claimed that:
    "Child Pornography is only illegal because you have to harm a child to make it."

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    And no, he also claimed that:
    "Child Pornography is only illegal because you have to harm a child to make it."
    There is some truth to that argument. I don't think he was saying that child pornography that doesn't lead to a child being harmed should be legal. I think he simply assumed that all child pornography that deals with actual children is harmful and should be illegal. It is simply the pornography that does not involve actual children in the process of its production or distribution that should not be illegal because no children could have been harmed.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I think he simply assumed that all child pornography that deals with actual children is harmful and should be illegal. It is simply the pornography that does not involve actual children in the process of its production or distribution that should not be illegal because no children could have been harmed.
    So what's the logical argument for why we would want to allow "pornography that does not involve actual children" but not pornography that doesn't harm children?

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So what's the logical argument for why we would want to allow "pornography that does not involve actual children" but not pornography that doesn't harm children?
    The same reasoning that snuff films are illegal.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    I'm thankful our existing law isn't so shortsighted (and that our country isn't run by Libertarians). Child porn is illegal regardless of whether it does harm to the child.
    Not true. The opinions written in Ferber or Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition by the Supreme Court made it very clear why Child Pornography is illegal and that visual depictions are protected. While the current Court may change that in an upcoming case, previous rulings are still the law of the land.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So what's the logical argument for why we would want to allow "pornography that does not involve actual children" but not pornography that doesn't harm children?
    Freedom of Speech. Pornography that harms children would not be protected by it.

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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    I totally forgot to add "porn stars pretending to be children" to the poll.Kind of similar to this story'
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/news-2...hild-porn.html


    But I guess thats what the other option is for.
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    Re: Should depicted/simulated child porn be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Not true. The opinions written in Ferber or Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition by the Supreme Court made it very clear why Child Pornography is illegal and that visual depictions are protected. While the current Court may change that in an upcoming case, previous rulings are still the law of the land.
    I was referring to your earlier statement:
    "Child Pornography is only illegal because you have to harm a child to make it."

    This is false and not supported by the cases you cite.

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