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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Children of poverty are more difficult to teach due to the culture from which they come. No one has taken the time to read to them and develop a facility with language, so they have trouble reading. No one has taken the time to teach them how they should behave, so discipline problems are more common. No one has given them a goal to try to reach, so there is little motivation. Add gangs and their influence, the pervasiveness of drugs and the drug culture, and don't forget the "easy" money to be made in drug dealing, requiring no education. There is the welfare culture of dependence on government for living, along with the breakdown in family structure that welfare dependence implies.

    Now, since children of poverty are difficult to teach, the best teachers are likely to transfer to suburban schools as soon as they possibly can in order to get out of a failing school and concentrate on teaching, rather than discipline.

    Since school administrators are more likely to want to work in a school where success is more easily achieved, the schools serving children of poverty are less likely to be well run. Poorly run schools present a huge challenge for teachers, even when they are the most highly competent and motivated people possible.

    And, there are a few heroes who work in schools of poverty for the satisfaction of being able to save a few of their students. They are often vilified for getting crosswise with administration and parents, of course, which thins out their ranks even further.

    Then, there is the lack of local control. Children of poverty tend not to do well on tests, even when they have mastered the skills involved. Low test scores bring more control from the state and federal authorities, who have no clue what really needs to be done to improve the situation.

    So, there really is no simple reason why the poor do badly in school, nor is there a simple solution to the problem.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Direct funding results from local property taxes. In impoverished areas, property value is significantly less, and therefore yields less overall funding for education. This in turn impacts new faculty salary, educational materials, after school programs, etc.... Given that impoverished areas require "free lunch" programs, security, and replacement costs and so on, (in much greater levels), extra curricular programs suffer as a result.

    Which is why many large cities "bus in" a great deal of students from impoverished areas: many schools themselves are forced to close. Federal funding for education is commonly based on "standardized testing", and attendance. It should be no surprise that both of these benchmarks in impoverished areas underachieve.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    If they share the same genes, hard work won't overcome a genetic predisposition. Your comments are logically flawed.
    I must disagree. My folks were dirt poor. Poorer even than Our Black neighbors. Through hard work and determination, I have become self sufficient, and dependent on no one. I'm not all that smart, but I have zero quit in me. I swore to my self, to never give up, and to do what ever it takes to make my dreams come true. I have succeeded.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I must disagree. My folks were dirt poor. Poorer even than Our Black neighbors. Through hard work and determination, I have become self sufficient, and dependent on no one. I'm not all that smart, but I have zero quit in me. I swore to my self, to never give up, and to do what ever it takes to make my dreams come true. I have succeeded.
    You cannot apply the unfolding of events in your life so to undermine another situation in the form of "laziness". Doing so makes you a disingenuous poster, and someone who does not deal in reality.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I agree that we need more training in trades. My son went to technical college and has been gainfully employed in refrigeration/heating/air conditioning ever since He moved to Tuscon AZ in the middle of the economic melt down and got a job immediately.

    He was always a clever boy with his hands, a whiz at puzzles and other spatial tasks, and we strongly encouraged this career choice for him, and it has served him well.
    An HVAC tech in AZ will make good money....likewise any place that gets hot a lot....

    Back in the old days, before AC, people had no choice but to suffer in the summer. But we get used to modern technology, and become addicted to it, and what was once a luxury becomes a necessity.
    All forms of technology need the techs who can keep it running....
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Geesh, it sounds like you had an awesome set who cared.
    Bad parents can be worse than no parents.
    They tried to do the same things for my younger sister but she only cared in as much as trying to get money and things from them.
    When my grandmother died, my sister tried to get her jewelery from my grandfather.

    My grandfather, who's still living thank goodness, was always around my house growing up teaching me life lessons and telling stories about what it takes to be a good man.
    Teaching me to save my money and similar things.

    It took it a while for it to set in but it worked.
    Now I have to get the lazy parts, I got from my parents, out of my system.
    Some forms of "lazy" are good....if you are looking to make things easier.
    Lots of inventions and innovations come from the "lazy".....
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Some forms of "lazy" are good....if you are looking to make things easier.
    Lots of inventions and innovations come from the "lazy".....
    I agree, I'm talking about my will to not do things I need to do.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree, I'm talking about my will to not do things I need to do.
    Is there a "butt kicking" emoticon available???
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Is there a "butt kicking" emoticon available???


    Best one available.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I must disagree. My folks were dirt poor. Poorer even than Our Black neighbors. Through hard work and determination, I have become self sufficient, and dependent on no one. I'm not all that smart, but I have zero quit in me. I swore to my self, to never give up, and to do what ever it takes to make my dreams come true. I have succeeded.
    Then poverty wasn't genetic, was it?

    My guess is that you don't clearly understand the term genetic.

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