View Poll Results: Why do the poor do badly in school?

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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Of course. I agree with this, however, sometimes physical discipline is absolutely required to supplement the process. Often times, a "contest" between child and parent reaches a point were defiance can only be resolved with physical discipline. I know that was the only language I understood at times.

    One of my golfing buddies and I actually reminisce laughingly about the physical punishment we received from our fathers. It's just part of becoming a man; being hardy and rustic; neither of us are emotionally scarred from getting some good whacks on the butt (not saying that's what you think).

    I think physical punishment is overlooked and under appreciated in our sanitized, PC little world. If your kid is acting like a defiant little brat, whack them on the ass!!! It's worked for thousands of years...
    I don't disagree.
    If you do it right, you'll need it less as the years go on.

    Most of that can, usually, be handled in early childhood.
    My older son requires almost no spankings, he did in his earlier years.
    The younger one needs a couple every now and then but they must be accompanied by verbal correction.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Oh, there was plenty of that, for ME and the smart sister, not the other sister just older than me, or the brother just younger....
    According to dad, mother was resentful of her own kids getting more education than she got, which was 3rd grade....
    Somehow the other sister (the smart one) and I pissed her off a lot....

    Some kids, tho, will fail no matter what is done for them, or to them. They just don't have a clue...
    I think another part of the problem is the rigidity of our education system. We need to rid ourselves of this moronic delusion that every child needs to receive a "liberal arts" education; some people are just destined to become plumbers or carpenters or construction workers (nothing wrong with ANY of those jobs). The only mandatory learning I feel should exist is basic arithmetic, reading, grammar, and civics; once that knowledge base has been acquired, I think students and parents should be given more latitude in the education path they choose; I would be very supportive of a trades path in public schools and a high school diploma equivalent for people who choose such a path.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    I think another part of the problem is the rigidity of our education system. We need to rid ourselves of this moronic delusion that every child needs to receive a "liberal arts" education; some people are just destined to become plumbers or carpenters or construction workers (nothing wrong with ANY of those jobs). The only mandatory learning I feel should exist is basic arithmetic, reading, grammar, and civics; once that knowledge base has been acquired, I think students and parents should be given more latitude in the education path they choose; I would be very supportive of a trades path in public schools and a high school diploma equivalent for people who choose such a path.
    My high school was very shortsighted when it came to trade skills and classes.

    We had automotive and construction classes but they were horribly underfunded.

    I was in the electrical program and it was a joke.
    The teacher had to buy lumber out of his pocket and we had no other supplies like wiring materials, nails, etc.
    We had plenty of tools but those are useless if you don't have anything to put together.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    I'm surprised nobody mentioned time management issues.

    A lot of poor families are single parent households and the older siblings often take on some of the parental duties, like cooking, babysitting their siblings, cleaning, running erands, etc. That cuts into focus on school, whether it's less time to do homework, or being too tired to focus in the classroom. It can't be helped really. Survival is a priority over studies sometimes.

    I think deadbeat parenting is not the biggest factor. A lot of parents are poor but want their children to do better than they did in life. The problem is the practical survival needs that need to be met, and this can override even the well wishes of the parents. This also relates to parents being able to help their kids with homework.

    Also, poor areas tend to have swelling populations, since, statistically, the poor tend to have more children due to lack of education and opportunity. This in of itself creates a vicious cycle. The demand on inner city schools increases, and the divided attention among students leads to less focus in the class, higher stress rates for teachers which means more qualified teachers will look elsewhere for jobs, and poorer quality education.

    I think though that it all begins with the home and family. Children who have stable households where the duties and roles are properly separated (i.e. parents focus on parental responsibilities, children focus on growing up and going to school) don't have as many problems in school, unless of course they have a developmental disability.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    I think another part of the problem is the rigidity of our education system. We need to rid ourselves of this moronic delusion that every child needs to receive a "liberal arts" education; some people are just destined to become plumbers or carpenters or construction workers (nothing wrong with ANY of those jobs). The only mandatory learning I feel should exist is basic arithmetic, reading, grammar, and civics; once that knowledge base has been acquired, I think students and parents should be given more latitude in the education path they choose; I would be very supportive of a trades path in public schools and a high school diploma equivalent for people who choose such a path.
    Some schools have great trade school programs. I forget the school, but their auto tech program graduated kids from HS that went right to dealerships making very good money.....
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm surprised nobody mentioned time management issues.

    A lot of poor families are single parent households and the older siblings often take on some of the parental duties, like cooking, babysitting their siblings, cleaning, running erands, etc. That cuts into focus on school, whether it's less time to do homework, or being too tired to focus in the classroom. It can't be helped really. Survival is a priority over studies sometimes.
    I think that is a problem but not as wide spread.
    A lot of single parent families aren't actually single parent.
    They just aren't married, which can skew statistics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I think deadbeat parenting is not the biggest factor. A lot of parents are poor but want their children to do better than they did in life. The problem is the practical survival needs that need to be met, and this can override even the well wishes of the parents. This also relates to parents being able to help their kids with homework.
    The problem is wanting and doing.
    You have to back up your wants with action otherwise it's wishful thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Also, poor areas tend to have swelling populations, since, statistically, the poor tend to have more children due to lack of education and opportunity. This in of itself creates a vicious cycle. The demand on inner city schools increases, and the divided attention among students leads to less focus in the class, higher stress rates for teachers which means more qualified teachers will look elsewhere for jobs, and poorer quality education.
    I don't disagree but quality issues can be overcome by action on the part of individuals.
    That's why Asians and Immigrant Blacks do so well in poor areas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I think though that it all begins with the home and family. Children who have stable households where the duties and roles are properly separated (i.e. parents focus on parental responsibilities, children focus on growing up and going to school) don't have as many problems in school, unless of course they have a developmental disability.
    We probably disagree but allowing children to have some adult responsibilities isn't a bad thing, in my mind.
    It teaches them early on that, there is no such thing as a free lunch and everyone must contribute.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    I agree that we need more training in trades. My son went to technical college and has been gainfully employed in refrigeration/heating/air conditioning ever since He moved to Tuscon AZ in the middle of the economic melt down and got a job immediately.

    He was always a clever boy with his hands, a whiz at puzzles and other spatial tasks, and we strongly encouraged this career choice for him, and it has served him well.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Also, poor areas tend to have swelling populations, since, statistically, the poor tend to have more children due to lack of education and opportunity. This in of itself creates a vicious cycle. The demand on inner city schools increases, and the divided attention among students leads to less focus in the class, higher stress rates for teachers which means more qualified teachers will look elsewhere for jobs, and poorer quality education.
    Actually, inner city populations have been shrinking, drastically, for years. In some communities I've worked in, 1 in every 3 populations are abandoned and empty. Those abandoned properties become a locus for crime, drugs, gangs, etc. As the population shrinks, so do jobs, resources, and tax dollars.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    "Acorns don't fall far from the tree." the children of the poor, share the genes that made their Parents get into the situation they are in. Only hard work can overcome that. But it can be done.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    "Acorns don't fall far from the tree." the children of the poor, share the genes that made their Parents get into the situation they are in. Only hard work can overcome that. But it can be done.
    If they share the same genes, hard work won't overcome a genetic predisposition. Your comments are logically flawed.

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