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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Didn't that bad parenting affect you as well? Perhaps in a different way, though?
    It did affect me, yes, as it took me longer than it should have to begin my "adult life", but I was the oldest of the three, so I was given more discipline and responsibility than my younger siblings, who were basically spoiled; this increased discipline and responsibility translated into success once I matured.

    In my case, I just rejected their way of life and got out on my own. However,
    I have 2 siblings, one younger, one older, who really needed some help around 3rd grade, which both of them failed.
    My parents made only token effort to help them out. I tried with my younger brother, but he not only was a bit slow, he just didn't care. Except for 2 years in the Navy, he has never worked a full time job. He lived at home as the eternal child for all but that 2 years.
    If our parents hadn't left him their house (only slightly better built than a shack), he would be homeless today....
    My younger siblings were just spoiled. They were barely ever disciplined, and they weren't given any kind of work responsibilities at home; my dad just didn't have the resolve to punish them; he tried to win a popularity contest with them; he didn't do that with me. The results speak for themselves.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Didn't that bad parenting affect you as well? Perhaps in a different way, though?
    In my case, I just rejected their way of life and got out on my own. However,
    I have 2 siblings, one younger, one older, who really needed some help around 3rd grade, which both of them failed.
    My parents made only token effort to help them out. I tried with my younger brother, but he not only was a bit slow, he just didn't care. Except for 2 years in the Navy, he has never worked a full time job. He lived at home as the eternal child for all but that 2 years.
    If our parents hadn't left him their house (only slightly better built than a shack), he would be homeless today....
    I had a similar upbringing.

    Out of my sisters, cousins and myself, I'm the only one trying to do anything with my life.
    My father did finish college but he was in his late 40's when he did, most of my life he was uninvolved with any of my education and only cared when I did bad in school.
    My mother was busy trying to be my friend.
    My younger sister is on life support from my parents, even though she is a border line criminal and my older sister is spoiled by her maternal grandparents with no want to achieve anything.

    I credit my backwards success to my grandfather, he was more or less my actual father, he cared about me doing something positive with my life.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    It did affect me, yes, as it took me longer than it should have to begin my "adult life", but I was the oldest of the three, so I was given more discipline and responsibility than my younger siblings, who were basically spoiled; this increased discipline and responsibility translated into success once I matured.



    My younger siblings were just spoiled. They were barely ever disciplined, and they weren't given any kind of work responsibilities at home; my dad just didn't have the resolve to punish them; he tried to win a popularity contest with them; he didn't do that with me. The results speak for themselves.

    Comes a time that we are all on our own, with some of us better prepared for it that others....you sound like the lucky one from your family.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    BUT, you would think that they would encourage their kids to do better.......
    It's interesting. I don't believe that my cousins (on my dad's side) were told that they should go to college. I think that they all got the sense that a high school diploma was plenty of education. So, that's as far as they went.

    My dad left the Ozarks and moved to the city, where he met and married my mom. Her cousins all went to college (though she didn't). Apparently, my dad became invested in the idea of my brother and I going to college so that we could be white collar like my mom's side of the family rather than blue collar like his side of the family.

    The prevaling cultural values of the community and family have a huge influence.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
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    Comes a time that we are all on our own, with some of us better prepared for it that others....you sound like the lucky one from your family.
    My prescription would be more wholesome ass-whoopings (spanking, strapping). I know I could have used a few more myself...

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    My prescription would be more wholesome ass-whoopings (spanking, strapping). I know I could have used a few more myself...
    (Note: I'm not against spanking)

    It takes more than spankings and punishment to get a person to want to improve themselves.
    The Black community is a testament to this, as their parenting style is much more physical with punishment than many others.
    That is a generalization though.

    It takes a parent who wants to learn to teach their children to learn.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I had a similar upbringing.

    Out of my sisters, cousins and myself, I'm the only one trying to do anything with my life.
    My father did finish college but he was in his late 40's when he did, most of my life he was uninvolved with any of my education and only cared when I did bad in school.
    My mother was busy trying to be my friend.
    My younger sister is on life support from my parents, even though she is a border line criminal and my older sister is spoiled by her maternal grandparents with no want to achieve anything.

    I credit my backwards success to my grandfather, he was more or less my actual father, he cared about me doing something positive with my life.
    One set of my grandparents tried to help me and one sister, the only 2 who showed a reasonable amount of brains and a desire to learn.
    BUT, for me anyway, I didn't find out about it until I was in my mid 20's that they had offered to take me to their house for my last 2 years of HS, where I surely would have done better. Grandpa had connections with maritime colleges, as he was a merchant marine ship captain...they would have made sure I got into college. My parents denied me that opportunity, and I never knew for about 10 years...
    But, the navy turned out to be a good alternative...
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    My prescription would be more wholesome ass-whoopings (spanking, strapping). I know I could have used a few more myself...
    Oh, there was plenty of that, for ME and the smart sister, not the other sister just older than me, or the brother just younger....
    According to dad, mother was resentful of her own kids getting more education than she got, which was 3rd grade....
    Somehow the other sister (the smart one) and I pissed her off a lot....

    Some kids, tho, will fail no matter what is done for them, or to them. They just don't have a clue...
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    One set of my grandparents tried to help me and one sister, the only 2 who showed a reasonable amount of brains and a desire to learn.
    BUT, for me anyway, I didn't find out about it until I was in my mid 20's that they had offered to take me to their house for my last 2 years of HS, where I surely would have done better. Grandpa had connections with maritime colleges, as he was a merchant marine ship captain...they would have made sure I got into college. My parents denied me that opportunity, and I never knew for about 10 years...
    But, the navy turned out to be a good alternative...
    Geesh, it sounds like you had an awesome set who cared.
    Bad parents can be worse than no parents.
    They tried to do the same things for my younger sister but she only cared in as much as trying to get money and things from them.
    When my grandmother died, my sister tried to get her jewelery from my grandfather.

    My grandfather, who's still living thank goodness, was always around my house growing up teaching me life lessons and telling stories about what it takes to be a good man.
    Teaching me to save my money and similar things.

    It took it a while for it to set in but it worked.
    Now I have to get the lazy parts, I got from my parents, out of my system.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    (Note: I'm not against spanking)

    It takes more than spankings and punishment to get a person to want to improve themselves.
    The Black community is a testament to this, as their parenting style is much more physical with punishment than many others.
    That is a generalization though.

    It takes a parent who wants to learn to teach their children to learn.
    Of course. I agree with this, however, sometimes physical discipline is absolutely required to supplement the process. Often times, a "contest" between child and parent reaches a point were defiance can only be resolved with physical discipline. I know that was the only language I understood at times.

    One of my golfing buddies and I actually reminisce laughingly about the physical punishment we received from our fathers. It's just part of becoming a man; being hardy and rustic; neither of us are emotionally scarred from getting some good whacks on the butt (not saying that's what you think).

    I think physical punishment is overlooked and under appreciated in our sanitized, PC little world. If your kid is acting like a defiant little brat, whack them on the ass!!! It's worked for thousands of years...

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