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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    We recently talked about some of this in another thread. I am curious what others think are the driving factors for why the poor, both urban and rural, do so poorly in school.
    It's entirely cultural.

    Parents who do not value education impress that upon their children.
    Getting mad at your kids, for not getting good grades, is not enough to get them to learn well.

    Your actual behavior towards learning is what affects them most.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Bad parenting, mostly, and communal disarray; not to be confused with General Disarray...


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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Bad parenting, mostly, and communal disarray; not to be confused with General Disarray...

    There's plenty of bad parenting in the middle and upper classes.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There's plenty of bad parenting in the middle and upper classes.
    I know. My younger brother AND sister are examples of this - neither of them are achieving anything of worth. Once again, bad parenting...

    Also, I did mention communal disarray.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    When the parents are uneducated themselves, they tend to not support the child's education as a priority. That's a huge risk factor.
    I'll ask my brother-in-law about it tonight. He is the first one from his family to go to college and he worked his way through a Masters program in Aeronautical Engineering. Very smart guy.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Mellie, what caused you to be so motivated? Was it expected of you that you would attend college? Did your parents go to college? Are you now poor or did your education help you out of that?

    You can vote for more than one option...
    I suppose it was seeing my sister do it before me. I wanted to get out of my little town and make something of myself. My parents assumed I would go to college (and I never wanted to do anything else) and no, they didn't go to college. I consider myself rich now. I'm a teacher who doesn't think she's overpaid. Yes, I have school loans to pay back, but I'm very comfortable financially. If I had to do it all over again, the only thing I would choose a less expensive school.


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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    I know. My younger brother AND sister are examples of this - neither of them are achieving anything of worth. Once again, bad parenting...

    Also, I did mention communal disarray.
    Didn't that bad parenting affect you as well? Perhaps in a different way, though?
    In my case, I just rejected their way of life and got out on my own. However,
    I have 2 siblings, one younger, one older, who really needed some help around 3rd grade, which both of them failed.
    My parents made only token effort to help them out. I tried with my younger brother, but he not only was a bit slow, he just didn't care. Except for 2 years in the Navy, he has never worked a full time job. He lived at home as the eternal child for all but that 2 years.
    If our parents hadn't left him their house (only slightly better built than a shack), he would be homeless today....
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I'll ask my brother-in-law about it tonight. He is the first one from his family to go to college and he worked his way through a Masters program in Aeronautical Engineering. Very smart guy.
    My parents both only have high school educations but were very ambitious for my brother and I. They pushed us both to go to college. It worked on me, didn't work on my brother (he failed out of college and ended up enlisting in the Navy, where he did very well).

    I was the first person in my dad's side of the family to graduate from college (and still one of only 2 or 3). My dad is from the Ozarks, and none of his siblings' children ever went to school.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    But what about kids who don't get that? Do you really believe that the average 7 year old will motivate himself/herself without parental support and supervision?

    Survey says no.
    No, I don't think so either. The kids I have seen in my 6 years of teaching who are good students have parents that make sure they get homework and projects finished at home. They come to conferences. They call with concerns. I have also seen kids that are incredibly smart, but there's no parental support so they don't bring homework or projects back which affects their grades. My parents were very good at making sure we had our homework done. My dad was very hard on us if we even got a B because he knew we could do better.


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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    When the parents are uneducated themselves, they tend to not support the child's education as a priority. That's a huge risk factor.
    BUT, you would think that they would encourage their kids to do better....

    Prevalent attitude in our house was 18 and out, with my dad of the opinion that " I didn't get any help from my parents and you don't need to expect any from me"....and all I was asking was free room and board at home while I went to community college...
    The oldest of us siblings adopted the same attitude, telling his kids that they were on their own. I am pretty sure that NONE of my nieces and nephews on my side of the family ever attended college, much less graduate.
    On my wife's side, tho, most are college grads, a few did the tech school thing.
    The really big difference between my siblings kids and my wife's siblings kids, obviously the parenting and the grandparenting...
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