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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It isn't that the poor are less intellectually endowed. It's that there is little familial support for education and creative thought.

    I worked with many kids, for instance, whose entire life was lived in a small section of the community. They lived 10 miles from beautiful mountains, but had never visited them. They lived close to the state capitol, but had never seen it, except from a distance. They lived near beautiful universities, but had never visited them. They'd never played a game of chess. They'd never eaten a meal that required a fork and knife. They'd seen American life on television, but never really experienced it.
    About six month ago, I went to a testing facility in the middle of an Atlanta ghetto (its the closest one to my house, even though its still pretty far away) and there were many guys there who were taking similar tests, trying to raise above the circumstances they were born in. A more successful person was there talking to them about how people are going to try and bring them down for doing this and how to keep strong through any transition between poor and middle class.

    Growing up a well-off suburbanite who never experienced this sort of thing, the who thing was kind of shocking to me. It amazed me that people would try and put people down for doing well, but with an entire community with this sort of mind set, I can see how many of these people have trouble engaging themselves.

    So much of this is about culture and people not realizing what opportunities they actually do have (of course in many cases, people don't get an opportunity as well). I cannot blame them because we all have unchallenged assumptions and views. Probably the best thing we can do for people in this sort of situation is to find a way to let them know that there is something out there for them and if they apply themselves, they will be rewarded for it. So much of what surrounds them tells them the opposite. It is not solely a personal failure for these people, but a failure of an entire community.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Well, there are some indicators in early brain research that living in a traumatic, stressful environment can actually inhibit brain development in infants.

    The Leadership Council - The Effect of Childhood Trauma on Brain Development

    So, it's probably a chicken. The parent determines the home climate, which leads to inhibited brain development in the child. And then the home climate continues to inhibit development of literacy and creative thought. And, more often than not, these kids are clustered together in schools that are also failing to teach basic literacy.
    Those schools have professional, dedicated teachers who end up disillusioned after dealing with so many social problems, druggie parents, neglected kids, the list goes on and on. You can only do so much.

    I know some teachers who teach in some of these schools. They routinely buy extra things, pay for field trips, etc. They are very dedicated.

    One thing I wonder at is, the schools make more and more financial demands on parents these days. My kids every week need $20 for this or that field trip, money for fast food after a track meet, money for all kinds of things. I have grown kids and this pattern has escalated over the years. I have a good income, but what about kids from poor families? The schools have become less and less democratic since I attended back in the 60s and 70s.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have to agree. Probably the main reason I completed college was that from as far back as I could remember, was that it was simply expected by my family. If the culture is there, than it helps create a personal drive.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That lack of involvement in their children's education is sad. I also found this to be disturbing and close to the "white-man's education" dilemma.
    I wanted to add that this oppositional attitude is probably prevalent in poor white communities, and not limited to Black Americans.
    Yes. It is as common in Appalachia as it is in urban Detroit.
    #3b is disturbing. The combination of 1, 2, and 3b are all outside of school and lead's perhaps to oppositional attitudes among students. I don't think this is restricted to black students, although the causes may be dissimilar. Poor whites also have an oppositional attitude.
    Indeed.
    If community/cultural factors generate the oppositional attitude of a "white man's education", where the education is seen as threatening the black culture these kids grow up with (Ebonics, etc), what are the community/cultural factors in a white neighborhood that create an oppositional attitude in poor whites? I suspect it is related to a "rich boy's education" concept.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Growing up a well-off suburbanite who never experienced this sort of thing, the who thing was kind of shocking to me. It amazed me that people would try and put people down for doing well, but with an entire community with this sort of mind set, I can see how many of these people have trouble engaging themselves.

    So much of this is about culture and people not realizing what opportunities they actually do have (of course in many cases, people don't get an opportunity as well). I cannot blame them because we all have unchallenged assumptions and views. Probably the best thing we can do for people in this sort of situation is to find a way to let them know that there is something out there for them and if they apply themselves, they will be rewarded for it. So much of what surrounds them tells them the opposite. It is not solely a personal failure for these people, but a failure of an entire community.
    Yes. I agree with this.

    On the other hand, nothing amazes me more than the power of one person to completely change a child's life.

    A good friend of mine grew up in the inner city latino community in Salt Lake, where I worked. His mother spoke very poor English, and was rarely home, because she worked 2-3 jobs. His dad was in prison. His friends were in similar situations, and almost all of them ended up living similar lives.

    ONE MAN changed his life. My friend Andy went to college on a tennis scholarship, joined the Navy, became a JAG, which paid for his law school. He told me stories about using creamers and ketchup packets from the cafeteria to make tomato soup, and that is what he lived on when he couldn't make ends meet.

    But one man made all the difference for him. So, there is hope.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    If community/cultural factors generate the oppositional attitude of a "white man's education", where the education is seen as threatening the black culture these kids grow up with (Ebonics, etc), what are the community/cultural factors in a white neighborhood that create an oppositional attitude in poor whites? I suspect it is related to a "rich boy's education" concept.
    When the parents are uneducated themselves, they tend to not support the child's education as a priority. That's a huge risk factor.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Those schools have professional, dedicated teachers who end up disillusioned after dealing with so many social problems, druggie parents, neglected kids, the list goes on and on. You can only do so much.

    I know some teachers who teach in some of these schools. They routinely buy extra things, pay for field trips, etc. They are very dedicated.

    One thing I wonder at is, the schools make more and more financial demands on parents these days. My kids every week need $20 for this or that field trip, money for fast food after a track meet, money for all kinds of things. I have grown kids and this pattern has escalated over the years. I have a good income, but what about kids from poor families? The schools have become less and less democratic since I attended back in the 60s and 70s.
    And I know some absolutely terrible teachers who should not be in a classroom teaching kids.

    Your last paragraph is important. My daughter is in the band (she's a great clarinetist). It costs $500 per year for her to participate in the band.

    That's a stretch for me, and I'm not poor. How many poor families could afford to pay this?

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Sometimes the old size 14 boot in the ass is more motivating than anything.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Sometimes the old size 14 boot in the ass is more motivating than anything.
    That's true. We actually agree on something, LA.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Sometimes the old size 14 boot in the ass is more motivating than anything.
    Absolutely. I only wear a size 7, but I use it regularly with my son (metaphorically, of course).

    But what about kids who don't get that? Do you really believe that the average 7 year old will motivate himself/herself without parental support and supervision?

    Survey says no.

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