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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    I chose:

    Lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty
    This is a major factor, I think. Our scientists have made so many technological advancements, even in the last 10 years, let alone 50, and yet it is Hollywood and professional sports that get the million dollar salaries. So what's the point of being smart if being pretty or being athletic pays better and you don't have to try so hard?

    Thing is this will never change. While I know it's unfair, I agree that life isn't fair, and so there will probably be very little that can be done about this.

    Schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help poor
    I don't think it's that schools are underfunded - I think that it's students who are underfunded. What I would really like to do is pass a federal law that will take 5% of all educational funding away from school programs, teacher pay, educational administrator pay, and every other fund from public school and use that money to pay students for getting good grades. That way, students from a very young age can learn that doing hard work pays off in school and does in the real world as well. I mean think of it - we tell kids that they should apply themselves to get good grades "just for the virtue of it" instead of for money - but we, as adults, don't apply ourselves and work our jobs just for the virtue of it and refuse to get paid. So it seems hypocritical of me that we ask kids to do it. So let's start giving students cash incentives to apply themselves to get good grades. Personally, I think Republicans would love this because instead of dealing with the bureaucracy of government programs, such as school lunches, the students themselves will determine how their money should be spent.

    Socio-economic factors
    I think this is another major point. I think that poor people, not having much wealth, don't know how to acquire it or how to manage it. I mean if all a poor child/teen sees is his parents working hard and spending rather than saving and investing for later, all he'll know about money is to work hard for it instead of wise management and investment. Maybe what we could if we implement paying students for getting good grades we can offer them to speak with a financial and investment adviser so they can start to learn good money management at a younger age.

    Gang culture
    Gang culture is another part of it too. It is in the best interests of gangs to use sociological manipulations to deride socially-accepted forms of education. What I mean by that is that gangs want intelligent people - however, they want those people to use their intelligence towards criminal enterprises. So while a poor person may be poor and do badly in school, they can still be intelligent but used it towards socially unacceptable endeavors. And they do so because it's a relatively easier way to make a living than to deal with the bureaucracy of legal business ventures. Young people in gangs may be in it for the thrill, but those who stay in gangs are in it for the money to make a living. That's one reason why many of the things we have criminalized, such as drugs and prostitution, I feel should be legal just so it can come under government regulation rather than be controlled by gangs and the mafia. It's not necessarily that I think those things should be commonplace - it's that I think legalization and regulation would control those things better than criminalization and law enforcement do so currently.

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    Lack of opportunity
    I think that the poor don't have a lot of opportunities that those who are wealthier have. For instance, let's say you have two people of the same intelligence, but one is wealthy and the other is poor. The one who is wealthy has an instant advantage because he can afford to go to better schools to get a better education, while the one who is poor won't be able to afford the same kind of school. That is unless he's able to take out enough loans to pay for his schooling. However, that puts him so deep in debt that he may not actually get out of poverty - rather than having a high-paying occupation and going from poverty to wealth, he'd have a high-paying occupation and stay in poverty to pay off the debt to get the education he hoped would get him from poverty to wealth.

    Another factor is that those who go to schools of wealth will be able to make connections with those with wealth, which will help them network with people to be potential investors. This means that people of poverty will have a tougher time making those social connections needed to help establish a thriving business network to sustain them. This may be less of a factor thanks to internet social media, but even I think it will still be a factor.

    Unrealistic expectations
    I think we have unrealistic expectations of Americans. We expect everybody to be able to pull themselves up by their boot straps and earn enough to afford a home, a car, and a few modern conveniences. The truth is those expectations are unrealistic. Those who are poor, and who have jobs the poor work, need those things but at a level affordable to them. For example, the poor don't need help getting mortgages they can't pay for but rather housing they can afford with a low-paying job. They also need better public transportation to get around not only their local communities but also across the nation.

    No appreciation of middle-class jobs
    Our country doesn't appreciate tradesmen enough. I think our culture has developed some kind of notion that if you aren't the best then you're not worth anything. I think this has made Americans believe that unless they are the wealthiest they can be, they have no worth.

    This means that people focus on those occupation that will only pay the most, rather than some other job closer to their talents and abilities. There's all kinds of needed technical jobs out there - however, they get no appreciation because there aren't any movies, tv shows, or pop songs written about them. After all, right now there is an intense demand for nuclear scientists to handle our country's stockpile of nuclear missiles. We'll also need them for advances in nuclear power, which we may have to rely on in the near future. There's all sorts of areas where we need expertise - the only problem is that they go unappreciated in our country, and therefore people don't know how much they are really worth.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) people who have hard working parents have examples that inspire them to work hard in school. People who don't have say a father at home don't get that support
    Two parents can work hard as immigrant farm laborers and still be poor.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Two parents can work hard as immigrant farm laborers and still be poor.
    yeah but their kids are going to have an advantage over a kid whose mother is a drug addicted welfare recipient who was impregnated by a man she hasn't seen in years and is doing time in USP-Terra Haute



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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If I was to rank them, this would probably be the top reason, though I would add peers along to it. If your parent(s) and peers don't provide positive feedback towards the importance of school, you are not likely to value it.

    Quick note: the military is a great equalizer, and I wish we could get more poor people interested in it.
    Professors of mine who had gone to Harvard, Yale, etc on the GI Bill said that was true and made going to college a dream for more men that became true

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah but their kids are going to have an advantage over a kid whose mother is a drug addicted welfare recipient who was impregnated by a man she hasn't seen in years and is doing time in USP-Terra Haute
    Then you should say that children with one parent who's a drug-addicted welfare recipient and the other who's in jail is at more of a disadvantage, not children from poor single-parent households. Huge difference between the two.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Quick note: the military is a great equalizer, and I wish we could get more poor people interested in it.
    I'd prefer it if some other civilian agency that wasn't military was available to the poor so they can get a college education and occupational training.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    I grew up poor, but I was a straight A student and was the second one in my family to go to college. I graduated college with honors.

    I think it has a lot to do with them thinking they can't do better than their parents. They think they can't go to college because they don't have the money (I used loans and scholarships). I assume they just think they'll live like their parents, so why even try?

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Environment is a big part of it, it affects motivation.
    When a group of siblings have the same parents, and attend the same schools, and assuming fairly equal smarts, the only thing left is motivation.

    We have to WANT to benefit from the education system available to us. All schools graduate kids ready for college, likewise all schools have dropouts.

    Some kids want to learn on their own, and will do well no matter where they live...
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    All schools graduate kids ready for college, likewise all schools have dropouts.
    And there are schools that graduate kids but don't prepare them for college. I made great grades in my school, but it was a small parochial school in a rural area. Despite it being a private school, it operated on a shoestring budget, and so couldn't afford things like new books on a regular basis. I swear, my physics book was 20 years old. I went to college expecting it to be easy, but I didn't have enough of the foundation I needed for college. I have learned more from reading wikipedia in my own spare time than I ever learned from my school.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And there are schools that graduate kids but don't prepare them for college. I made great grades in my school, but it was a small parochial school in a rural area. Despite it being a private school, it operated on a shoestring budget, and so couldn't afford things like new books on a regular basis. I swear, my physics book was 20 years old. I went to college expecting it to be easy, but I didn't have enough of the foundation I needed for college. I have learned more from reading wikipedia in my own spare time than I ever learned from my school.
    High School level Physics has changed almost zip in the last 20 years....

    But I agree with you about rural schools and low budgets. When my kids were still school age, the area we were in had a farmer mentality.
    I heard a jr. high principal say "When farming is the local industry, our kids don't need algebra or any other "higher" math."
    So she would handicap all those kids who parents don't have farms?
    The local high school, under pressure from the parents, presented nearly the entire student body as "honor roll" students. They also had the "high honor roll" for the few who were actually worthy of the term. Graduates of the high school were often having to attend remedial classes in college to get them up to par with other HS graduates...
    We moved away from there, when one of our kids was entering HS, the other entering Jr.HS.
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