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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I was talking to another teacher the other day and she said she thinks we're getting a lot of meth babies in schools now.
    That's not pretty. We had a huge meth epidemic in my former city. VERY distressing. What are community agencies doing about it?
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    School quality is a big thing. It's hard to get an education when schools are having gang issues and so on. Schools in poor areas tend to have fewer resources, and I suspect it's harder to attract worthwhile teachers. Poor parents are less likely to instill in their kids the value of education. When kids do not value the education, they tend to be disruptive in school, and make it harder for those who do want an education, which leads back to the first thing. And so it goes, round and round.

    It's a hard problem to fix because you have to change so many things, many of them outside of the control of any one but the parents and students themselves.
    I agree especially with the comment about parents, that is perhaps the primary motivator for education and when that is absent, a child is unlikely to learn. Second, and also not on the list, is the culture in which the child is brought up. Far too many ghetto cultures do not value education, it is an annoyance, something that gets in the way of drugs and crime, not an important aspect of someone's future.

    You're right, the problem really rests with the parents and the students themselves. While the schools can certainly contribute to the problem, if the student doesn't want to learn and the parents don't want to encourage, the best teachers on the planet won't make a bit of difference.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree especially with the comment about parents, that is perhaps the primary motivator for education and when that is absent, a child is unlikely to learn. Second, and also not on the list, is the culture in which the child is brought up. Far too many ghetto cultures do not value education, it is an annoyance, something that gets in the way of drugs and crime, not an important aspect of someone's future.

    You're right, the problem really rests with the parents and the students themselves. While the schools can certainly contribute to the problem, if the student doesn't want to learn and the parents don't want to encourage, the best teachers on the planet won't make a bit of difference.
    i think you have too narrowly defined it
    in my parent's hometown in upstate south carolina, it is the rural white trash culture that seems to place little value on education
    getting a part time minimum wage job to buy a ragged out truck seems to be the career path of most teens of those white trash parents - even if that means dropping out of high school to do it
    achieving anything better than a GED is viewed as puttin on airs
    the parents did not do well in school
    they do not do well in life
    and like the urban poor, they pass on to their kids that same distrust of anyone who is educated
    if achieving black students are viewed as acting white because they achieve, then high academic kids from white trash homes are viewed as those who think they are too good for their peers
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
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    What were you saying about fairness? --
    Just pointing out that although salaries in the US (on your graph) are higher - you need another graph which shows proportion of tax taken.

    To most US posters, "Europe" is a communist backwater where the state grabs as much of your salary to fund education / health / etc. To us living here, we live under a fair system where the people pay a fair proportion of their salaries as tax to support the community as a whole.

    It's simply about perspective - your society (generalising) tends to support individualism and those who cannot make it are left to go to the wall. Our societies (generalising) are about trying not to leave the less fortunate behind.

    US posters will nearly always call our system "communist" or "socialist" but that simply points out a failure to try and understand what our views really are about and why they exist.

    OK, back to topic.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    That seems to be the consensus. A pity so many families are single parent these days. Makes their job even harder. It is scary to think about all the mediocre students that will be produced in coming years.
    They are already here....too many parents want to make lives easier for thier kids, and instead handicap them to the realities of competition in the job market.

    Dropouts from any school, and even graduates from a school with very low standards, are setting themselves up for a life of less than everyone else.

    If they can do that without being a burden on society, I suppose it is OK for them, individually. I know people who live low and would rather do that than try to learn the knowledge and skills required to live well.
    But, it handicaps us as a nation.

    Even the rugged individualist should be able to see that it is important to get everyone educated to the point that they can be trained to WORK for a living.


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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i think you have too narrowly defined it
    in my parent's hometown in upstate south carolina, it is the rural white trash culture that seems to place little value on education
    getting a part time minimum wage job to buy a ragged out truck seems to be the career path of most teens of those white trash parents - even if that means dropping out of high school to do it
    achieving anything better than a GED is viewed as puttin on airs
    the parents did not do well in school
    they do not do well in life
    and like the urban poor, they pass on to their kids that same distrust of anyone who is educated
    if achieving black students are viewed as acting white because they achieve, then high academic kids from white trash homes are viewed as those who think they are too good for their peers
    You're talking about people who actually get GEDs. I'm talking about people who don't even get that far and who have basically poisoned their entire lives before they get to 18.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    I chose other. Home living conditions (Crowded, loud, hot) can play a role in negligence and create a poor work ethic.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're talking about people who actually get GEDs. I'm talking about people who don't even get that far and who have basically poisoned their entire lives before they get to 18.
    no, i am not
    those who get their GED are the exceptional ones
    the point i was trying to convey is that the poor white trash/native American culture - my own heritage - is no better than the urban black poor culture ... neither embrace education as a means to push their children towards economic success
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no, i am not
    those who get their GED are the exceptional ones
    the point i was trying to convey is that the poor white trash/native American culture - my own heritage - is no better than the urban black poor culture ... neither embrace education as a means to push their children towards economic success
    Fine, that just means there are multiple harmful sub-cultures out there. I'm sure there are more than just the two as well.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post

    We really are all in this together, like it or not.
    Now, that's quotable.

    Lost in the din about rugged individualism vs socialism, with neither one really defined, the one truth is that we really are all in this together.
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