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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    To be honest most of the fun science carries a ton of potential for lawsuits.
    Schools can't handle that.
    especially chemistry lab.....

    BUT, lab is NOT necessary....the Navy Nuclear Power school teaches chemistry, physics, etc. and it is learned without lab work...
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    For those interested in this topic, I'd recommend a book entitled Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools, by Jonathan Kozol.

    Amazon.com: Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools (9780060974992): Jonathan Kozol: Books

    This well-researched scholarly treatise should clear up any and all questions about why the poor do badly in school.
    what, no book report?
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    especially chemistry lab.....

    BUT, lab is NOT necessary....the Navy Nuclear Power school teaches chemistry, physics, etc. and it is learned without lab work...
    Bleh, that is the most FUN part of it.

    Synthesizing regents, making compounds and all the other stuff the reinforces theory.
    I have been planning for some time to get a set of glass ware so my son and I can work on it together.

    He seems more interested in biology so we may just get bacteria to grow.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    what, no book report?
    I believe, actually, that I did review this book in the Book Nook several years ago.
    It may have been in the thread entitled "What are you currently reading?".
    You could do a search for it.

    edit- here you go:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/book-n...post1057534894
    Last edited by 1069; 05-03-10 at 01:24 AM.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    A guy I went to college with grew up in one of our housing projects. They are not pretty places and everybody who lives there usually drops out of school to become a drug dealer. OK, but Mike was really very good in school. I guess you could call him a bit of a nerd but he was funny and fun to talk with. We ate lunch together with some other friends every day after morning classes.

    I should have asked him how he got to be so smart growing up in the projects but I never did. I just wondered about it. My guess would be that he had parents who were strict about him doing well.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    A guy I went to college with grew up in one of our housing projects. They are not pretty places and everybody who lives there usually drops out of school to become a drug dealer. OK, but Mike was really very good in school. I guess you could call him a bit of a nerd but he was funny and fun to talk with. We ate lunch together with some other friends every day after morning classes.

    I should have asked him how he got to be so smart growing up in the projects but I never did. I just wondered about it. My guess would be that he had parents who were strict about him doing well.
    I had a buddy that grew up in one of Atlanta's worst projects.
    His family were Jehovah's Witnesses, they were not involved at all with the neighborhood, they just lived their.
    He turned out great, going to college and all that.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Some good points about the individuals from the government projects doing well. It sounds like parental involvement and expectations are very important. I suspect this to be the case in the great majority of cases being discussed in this thread. I grew up poor compared to many in society. My parents expected us to work hard and do the best we could in school. They were also very involved in our lives, and they were great role models. This is what I give credit to for my abilities and work ethic. It's not about money, but about family culture.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I'll ask my brother-in-law about it tonight. He is the first one from his family to go to college and he worked his way through a Masters program in Aeronautical Engineering. Very smart guy.
    I learned some interesting things tonight. My brother-in-law, Joe, grew up on Staten Island and was a member of a gang. They didn't do much crime, he said, but were more into hanging out in the neighborhood and going to clubs to hear death metal!

    He got zero support from his mother toward school and his father he saw rarely, and got little support, since they were divorced. His grandparents showed interest and support and in the early years they lived together, so it was a daily thing then, but in junior high they moved and he saw them only once a week.

    He was a C student in high school. He was very short on math, having only taken the minimum up to Algebra 2. He had bad teachers. However, he had decided he wanted to be an inventor and needed to go to college to get a degree. He wanted this badly. When he spoke with his guidance counselor and told him he wanted to go to college, his guidance counselor encouraged him, even with "C"s. When Joe told him he wanted to go for Engineering, his counselor laughed in his face!

    Joe went on to engineering at City College of New York, Staten Island. His gang members didn't give him any ****, but actually started college the year after. Many didn't make it but several got business degrees. Years later, when married to my sister, Joe entered the Masters program in Aerospace Engineering and completed it.

    Now Joe is a High School teacher in Fairfax County, VA. He is the technology instructor and teaches drafting, general engineering, engineering design and several other courses. He won the State Teachers Award for Engineering/Technology Program, which he has built from the ground up.

    His school is in a heavy Hispanic neighborhood and he has many Hispanic students at the school, although not many take his classes. Still, he has many under-performers. The single biggest difference in students performance is the involvement of parents.

    His good students have parents that monitor their homework and assignments. They show up at teacher conferences to see how their kids are doing. They punish their kids for misbehaving.

    His bad students have uninvolved parents. They don't go to teacher conferences. When Joe calls them to discuss the students performance, he gets a perfunctory phone call. Once they hung up on him. The parents work late and do not monitor progress. They do not punish. They don't care.

    He does have kids that struggle with material, but many times this is not due to lack of intelligence, but lack of preparation from other classes - and bad study habits if any at all.

    The Hispanic kids are the worst.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post

    What about the ugly man who will never know the loving touch of a beautiful woman?
    Send him my way, I'm not fussy, and I quite enjoy charity work.


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    Fair is just a stupid ass word. Life isn't fair and society isn't fair.
    Some societies are fairer, more equitable than others. Get over it. No society gets top marks. Nobody here has claimed that.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    Yea, as long as you don't have to get off your ass to actually do anything, everything is just peachy.
    Leave it all to the voluntary acts of altruism and very little will get done.
    When, it comes to health, education and social services, the less state provision the greater the inequality. Fact.
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