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  • lack of ability - poor can't do the work and feel stupid

    8 15.69%
  • lack of motivation - poor can't study way out of poverty

    18 35.29%
  • school is racist - not taught things important to poor's race

    1 1.96%
  • school is class-based - not taught things important to poor's class

    5 9.80%
  • schools are underfunded - don't have special programs to help the poor

    15 29.41%
  • urban schools don't attract talented teachers

    17 33.33%
  • rural schools don't attract talented teachers

    12 23.53%
  • socio-economic factors

    28 54.90%
  • gang culture

    23 45.10%
  • other... (please describe)

    23 45.10%
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    High expectations yeild better results than low expectations.....
    we told our kids to go to college at our expense, as it might be the only inheritance they ever get.....
    my father said I could go to anyplace I wanted but if it was Yale he'd pay for it. So I applied to Amherst as well and he admitted that Amherst was good enough to pay for as well but I ended up at Yale nonetheless



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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    my father said I could go to anyplace I wanted but if it was Yale he'd pay for it. So I applied to Amherst as well and he admitted that Amherst was good enough to pay for as well but I ended up at Yale nonetheless
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    -- 1. Children don't learn to read in the early school years.
    In some parts of Europe, no kids learn to read before the age of 9 and they have pretty good social mobility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    -- Lack of parental engagement in education is hugely significant. If parents are not involved, the performance of school staff often tends to be substandard.
    I agree the first statement but cannot agree the second. As a teacher about to leave the profession in the next year or so - I'm pretty tired of the modern view that everything is the teacher's fault.
    It used to be funny if a student left my course because their parents were moving city or the student decided that their career goals had changed but when that affected my grading it stopped being funny. I even had one student die through breast cancer and I ended up filling a form explaining what I could (or should) have done to keep the student...

    There are some amazing teachers out there breaking their backs to motivate all their kids but sometimes when a kid goes back home to a non-aspirational environment it makes no difference what the teachers are up to or how good they are (or not)
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    are you secretly GWB?
    Nah, I wasn't a cheerleader, actually made honors and earned four varsity letters. I did get into Harvard B School but didn't go. I didn't get tapped by Skull and Bones either



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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    We recently talked about some of this in another thread. I am curious what others think are the driving factors for why the poor, both urban and rural, do so poorly in school.
    I grew up poor and made As and Bs of course then again my mother would beat my ass if I slacked off. So perhaps its the gangs and lack of parental involvement why a lot of poor kids fail, and it could also be crappy teachers.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    I came from humble beginnings and made it to a university education and a successful professional life. I credit my success to:

    1. Concerned parents who encouraged and nurtured my capabilities
    2. My own determination and hard work
    3. Certain amazing teachers who loved their job and did it well
    4. A socialist influenced education system that was free to all, including free university education
    5. A system which allowed teachers professional autonomy without imposing over rigid curricula and targets upon them.

    Impediments I overcame were:

    1. Certain xenophobic and sexist assumptions on the part of some in the system.
    2. Certain unimpassioned teachers who should have given up long ago.

    I detest the "If I did it, so can anybody" mentality. Many people, especially in unfair societies like the US, just have too much stacked against them from the start. I worked hard but I was also lucky.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    I came from humble beginnings and made it to a university education and a successful professional life. I credit my success to:

    1. Concerned parents who encouraged and nurtured my capabilities
    2. My own determination and hard work
    3. Certain amazing teachers who loved their job and did it well
    4. A socialist influenced education system that was free to all, including free university education
    5. A system which allowed teachers professional autonomy without imposing over rigid curricula and targets upon them.

    Impediments I overcame were:

    1. Certain xenophobic and sexist assumptions on the part of some in the system.
    2. Certain unimpassioned teachers who should have given up long ago.

    I detest the "If I did it, so can anybody" mentality. Many people, especially in unfair societies like the US, just have too much stacked against them from the start. I worked hard but I was also lucky.


    WTF is a FAIR SOCIETY

    sounds like a code word for lowest common denominator



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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    WTF is a FAIR SOCIETY

    sounds like a code word for lowest common denominator
    Rather a shame you can only come up with such an incorrect definition.
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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urethra Franklin View Post
    Rather a shame you can only come up with such an incorrect definition.
    No one said life is fair. Get over it.

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    Re: Why do the poor do badly in school?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1984 View Post
    No one said life is fair. Get over it.
    I didn't say life is fair. I said US society was unfair - unfairer than many others. Get over it.
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