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Economic warfare

Does economic warfare exist on a large scale at this time and age?

  • Yes, economic warfare is clearly visible in the global economy

    Votes: 12 60.0%

  • Yes, economic warfare is the reason for the various crisis

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, economic warfare is getting big

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, economic warfare is starting to show itself

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Yes, new terrorists are economic speculators and do more damage than violent terrorists

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • Yes, there is various economic warfare going on

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • No, economic warfare do not exist

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • other.. (explain)

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • Total voters
    20
Maximus Zeebra

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Non military warfare has been described as the basis for modern warfare, among all, economic warfare has been described as the most promising form of warfare.

Are we seeing this now, is economic warfare going on on a large scale? Would the US ever attempt to use their tools to attack a stronger economy like the Euro, to strenghten themselves? Is the US attacking China with economic warfare?

Is China attacking the west with economic warfare? Have they been doing so for a long time? China is growing ever faster and taking over more and more business from the west, is it using economic warfare to accomplish such things? Will Chinese economic warfare be unstoppable?

Is propaganda and mainstream brainwashing part of programs to defame others and enhance oneself in a new age of advanced warfare? Is the US on the frontline in a global war against everyone? Is China leading a global war against the rest of the world without even firing a gun?

Does economic warfare exist on a large scale in this day and age?
 
Translation: "I need someone to blame for the Euro Zone's current woes, so I'll create a thread to whine about it."

China has some distorting trade policies, but nothing on the scale of "economic warfare." And of course the United States has nothing resembling economic warfare. Deep down you know this, but of course it just can't be possible that Greece could be the Eurozone's fault rather than America's...which is what this thread is REALLY about. :roll:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Non military warfare has been described as the basis for modern warfare, among all, economic warfare has been described as the most promising form of warfare.
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All warfare is economic, the only thing that changes over time is the method of making war. That you do not understand this, in and of itself, renders moot anything else you might say on the subject.
 
Kandahar said:
Translation: "I need someone to blame for the Euro Zone's current woes, so I'll create a thread to whine about it."

China has some distorting trade policies, but nothing on the scale of "economic warfare." And of course the United States has nothing resembling economic warfare. Deep down you know this, but of course it just can't be possible that Greece could be the Eurozone's fault rather than America's...which is what this thread is REALLY about. :roll:
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I'm looking for this among the poll options, but I don't see it. :lol:
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Would the US ever attempt to use their tools to attack a stronger economy like the Euro, to strenghten themselves?
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If we were interested in using economic warfare against the EU, we sure as hell wouldn't be contributing US dollars to help you guys bail out Greece.:lol:
 
Maximus Zeebra,

Explain to me why China, who needs to exports RMB to keep inflation down and continue funding its export growth market to keep political tension from flaring up want to wage economic warfare on the US?
 
Kandahar said:
Translation: "I need someone to blame for the Euro Zone's current woes, so I'll create a thread to whine about it."

China has some distorting trade policies, but nothing on the scale of "economic warfare." And of course the United States has nothing resembling economic warfare. Deep down you know this, but of course it just can't be possible that Greece could be the Eurozone's fault rather than America's...which is what this thread is REALLY about. :roll:
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What makes you naive enough to believe this?

How about China? They could be waging economic warfare against the west already. Just because we do not understand the methods, the actuality and the result, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Undoubtfully the US has the biggest economic toolbox for economic warfare. All major credit rating agencies are US agencies, the US have a global currency, the US have big media(not as powerful as the UK economic media). The economist and financial times alone could definetely create big economic havoc if they so chose to, and who is to not understand that they have or havent?
 
lizzie said:
If we were interested in using economic warfare against the EU, we sure as hell wouldn't be contributing US dollars to help you guys bail out Greece.:lol:
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The best tactic would be to make economic warfare while pretending not to do so.. :2wave:
 
lizzie said:
If we were interested in using economic warfare against the EU, we sure as hell wouldn't be contributing US dollars to help you guys bail out Greece.:lol:
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A part of the Greek debt belongs to the American banks, so I am not sure that the Americans want to wage war against the European economy.

A possible theater of economic war could be Africa where China fight against other economies (the Western ones) to control all the resources that the continent has.
 
Mirepoix said:
A part of the Greek debt belongs to the American banks, so I am not sure that the Americans want to wage war against the European economy.
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In a race to the bottom, where everyone is stripped and able to restart, the American economy would stand pretty strong if it was the one who controlled the economic collapse. Even in all circumstances, the American economy is pretty industrius and functional without a "financial system". Ofcourse Europe would also stand strong, but is not by far united enough to start from scratch as well as America, and it would be in American advantage if the whole world defaulted on all existing debts and pushed the "financial reset" button.

Mirepoix said:
A possible theater of economic war could be Africa where China fight against other economies (the Western ones) to control all the resources that the continent has.
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China is waging economic warfare on many fronts. China is definetely preparing to be the most powerful wager of economic warfare in the future.
 
All of the above, except:

"No, economic warfare do not exist"
 
Mirepoix said:
A part of the Greek debt belongs to the American banks, so I am not sure that the Americans want to wage war against the European economy.
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I certainly don't want to. I would be happy to let everyone take care of their own mistakes. We have more than enough financial dysfunction to keep us busy, and we're getting deeper and deeper in debt.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
What makes you naive enough to believe this?

How about China? They could be waging economic warfare against the west already. Just because we do not understand the methods, the actuality and the result, doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
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:roll:
OK, let's employ a little Occam's Razor here. Which makes more sense:
A) There is a secret economic conspiracy afoot by China. There is no evidence of its methods/actuality/result, but umm, somehow it just exists anyway because you say so.
B) It's a load of horse****.

Maximus Zeebra said:
Undoubtfully the US has the biggest economic toolbox for economic warfare. All major credit rating agencies are US agencies, the US have a global currency, the US have big media(not as powerful as the UK economic media). The economist and financial times alone could definetely create big economic havoc if they so chose to, and who is to not understand that they have or havent?
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All of the credit rating agencies and financial magazines in the world can't make something true. The United States is able to pay a very low interest rate on its debt because investors consider its debt to be essentially risk-free. This isn't just the assessment of Moody's or S&P or The Economist.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
and it would be in American advantage if the whole world defaulted on all existing debts and pushed the "financial reset" button.
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Why don't you try actually learning something about economics and finance before you make such ridiculous statements. Just a thought.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
In a race to the bottom, where everyone is stripped and able to restart, the American economy would stand pretty strong if it was the one who controlled the economic collapse. Even in all circumstances, the American economy is pretty industrius and functional without a "financial system". Ofcourse Europe would also stand strong, but is not by far united enough to start from scratch as well as America, and it would be in American advantage if the whole world defaulted on all existing debts and pushed the "financial reset" button.
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Except that if the Americans think that they can control a collapse, they play with the fire. The problem could explode in their hands if it is what they want to do.
China is waging economic warfare on many fronts. China is definetely preparing to be the most powerful wager of economic warfare in the future.
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It is a political problem, but the source is a kind of economic warfare: China does not want to sanction Iran because it buys its oil. So it is a struggle between China and the Western world there.
 
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lizzie said:
I certainly don't want to. I would be happy to let everyone take care of their own mistakes. We have more than enough financial dysfunction to keep us busy, and we're getting deeper and deeper in debt.
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We are getting deeper and deeper in debt because our governments prefer to borrow money to the rich instead of taxing them.
 
Mirepoix said:
We are getting deeper and deeper in debt because our governments prefer to borrow money to the rich instead of taxing them.
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Don't you mean 'because our government prefers to spend more than it takes in'?
 
Make us less able to maintain our military and trade status. The profits from the closed communist system does'nt go back into the market.
It is used by the communist to enhance policy.
Thats why we cant restart our markets our capital is in china an mexico.
Government debt wont do it. SERVICE work wont do it.
We are sinking our selfs into the trap of consumerism.
 
There's always those mercenaries, security firms, hitmen, and who knows what, all for money. Of course it's clearly visible.
 
Goobieman said:
Don't you mean 'because our government prefers to spend more than it takes in'?
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If the government needs to spend money, it should take it where it is with taxes.
An example: Sarkozy decided to launch a big loan of 50 billions. Of course, those who are going to lend money to the state are those who have money. To sum it up: the riches. But it will be necessary to repay the loan with interests to those people. So the French government prefers to borrow money to the riches instead of taxing them.
In my opinion if the state needs money, it should have it by taxes instead of by loans, which is more expensive for the society.
 
Mirepoix said:
If the government needs to spend money, it should take it where it is with taxes.
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"Need" is a pretty strong word. You would be hard pressed to show that the government "needs" to spend most of what it spends.
 
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