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    Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    We were discussing this today in work.

    We have a number of people at work who are very patriotic and nationalist. Almost to the point where they don't like foreign people working in our country.

    We go to talking about nationalism and I've often thought that I can think of absolutely no positive aspects of patriotism and nationalism.

    The way I see it, nationalism divides people who could otherwise be friends and colleagues and prevents us being greater than the sum of our parts.

    Are there any undeniably positive aspects of nationalism?

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    There is use in supporting a nation because it affords you protection and the basis of a civil society. But that is the only reason I can think of.

    I think there are many who take it too far though.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    The reason I think Nationalism is bad is because it makes people think they are better than everyone else, even without fully understanding other countries and their cultures or policies. We have our faults in the U.S. just like any other country. I would argue that no one country is better than all others. Some are worse than others... but no single one is the best.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    The problem is extremism(along with ignorance and fear), not nationalism - a shot of this is good, but this should never stand in the way of doing things better, this is where we need a ton of work.
    Patriotism should never impede progress.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Quote Originally Posted by sh856531 View Post
    We were discussing this today in work.

    We have a number of people at work who are very patriotic and nationalist. Almost to the point where they don't like foreign people working in our country.

    We go to talking about nationalism and I've often thought that I can think of absolutely no positive aspects of patriotism and nationalism.

    The way I see it, nationalism divides people who could otherwise be friends and colleagues and prevents us being greater than the sum of our parts.

    Are there any undeniably positive aspects of nationalism?
    I think nationalism/patriotism is a good thing. If our politicians were actually nationalist/patriotic they wouldn't have allowed American companies to outsource( therefore since they outsourced they are no longer American companies), they would secured the border, they would have not allowed foreign countries and companies to run our ports, they would not be giving away billions of our dollars to other countries or trying to trample on the rights of American citizens, they most certainly would not tolerate American companies hiring illegals. So mostly its just used as a tool by politicians who sneer at Obama because he didn't wear a flag pin, did not place his hand over his heart when the US national anthem was played or said that everyone should learn Spanish while they themselves support open borders, outsourcing, allowing foreign companies and countries to run our ports, and giving billions of US dollars to foreign countries. You can't be patriotic/nationalist and a globalist at the same time,those things contradict each other.
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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing


    There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country and proud to be from your country. Obviously, some people can get carried away with the concept.





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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post

    There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country and proud to be from your country. Obviously, some people can get carried away with the concept.

    Very right. The only problem is when that pride leads to feelings of overall superiority.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    I think nationalism is a good thing, but only when it's out of a healthy sense of pride and respect for the nation. Nationalism can (and often does) lead to arrogance that just ticks others off. I think America needs more national pride and less of this apologizing to the world garbage. But at the same time we don't need to have the same level of nationalism that far-right wingnuts have with the whole "Amurikka!!! F*CK YEAH!!!" That stuff is just annoying.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    So far as history can tell us, the societal construct we percieve as a "Nation-State" has been integral to organizing populances and developing all manners of accomplishments. This, like all benefits, has come with gigantic costs and one could wonder if these costs have been "worth it." However, looking at the world today (past and present), I cannot go as far to say that it is so horrible the world must be so completely restructured to obliterate nations. There is up's, and there are down's yet I like it through and through.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Patriotism is love of your own country. Nationalism is hatred of all others.

    One is good. One is bad. 1930s Germany, Stalinist Russia, and the Khmer Rouge are all examples of nationalism at a large level.

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