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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    ...A very nice and inspiring post, but no need to extend the text wall...
    Trouble is, I get the distinct impression that we have many here in the USA (and probably in other countries) who want top down rule (or something close to it) again.

    For their own gain or just because they are misguided.

    Perhaps I'm just cynical.
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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    america!

    fuck yeah!!!
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    There are literally tens of thousands of people that save up and travel to America to make it their new home every year. Is it the same for other nations? Do they save up to move to China or the Middle East or South America or even Europe in the same manner that they do for America?
    I would have to say yes they do.

    Do you think that France, the UK, Spain, Germany, Switzerland et al don't have millions of immigrants living in them?

    People tend to want to live in the richest and most advanced countries in the world. The US is not special in this regard. If anything, the US seems unusually paranoid and angry about immigration - which is odd, given that it was founded by immigrants from Europe fleeing persecution...

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    They come for a reason. They come because they are seeking a better life for their families and to provide their children with opportunities. They do this because only in America will you find so many religions and cultures free to explore and celebrate without persecution or malice.
    This is why I don't like nationalism - lots of unsupported nonsense about one country being uniquely superior to all others.

    There are scores of measures that various international bodies use to measure countries against one another. This may come as a shock to you but the countries that tend to come top in measurements such as the Human Development Index, Democracy Index, Child Welfare Index, GDP Per Capita, and the WHO healthcare rankings all tend to be not the United States.

    I like many things about America. My wife and family are American. But your typically American answer is near word perfect demonstration of why I don't like nationalism. It promotes an at times rabid desire to demonstrate that ones country is better than all other countries and is always devoid of fact or reason.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    One thing that struck me reading this thread was, of all the people who said that patriotisim/nationalism is, or could be a good thing - only one person actually gave a reason why.

    The rest of the answers were along the lines of "I think patriotism is good - because I like it"....

    :-|

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    COD quote:

    "Patriotism varies, from noble devotion to a moral lunacy"

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    I want nationalism- The new Americanism. One nation one voice one world to make in our image. To champion the causes of the underprivaleged and make justice and the rule of law our way of foregin affairs. Spreading the American high minded ideals to the world. Offering the new brand of Americanism to be shared and held with a sense of pride for everyone.
    The first state in the new era of AMERICAN VALUES first an foremost is ARIZONA. Reaffirming our belief in self rule and dedicating this century
    to those who come after us to carry on the, Great Experiment.

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I've been wondering though...which is better?

    Or are both positive and/or negative, depending on the application?

    Probably the last...
    Nationalism is automatically be a problem many times, because it connotes a negative idea.

    Patriotism can be negative only if it is take too far, otherwise I embrace it every day.


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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Quote Originally Posted by b.larset View Post
    I want nationalism- The new Americanism. One nation one voice one world to make in our image. To champion the causes of the underprivaleged and make justice and the rule of law our way of foregin affairs. Spreading the American high minded ideals to the world. Offering the new brand of Americanism to be shared and held with a sense of pride for everyone.
    The first state in the new era of AMERICAN VALUES first an foremost is ARIZONA. Reaffirming our belief in self rule and dedicating this century
    to those who come after us to carry on the, Great Experiment.
    so you want an american empire?
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Is nationalism a good or a bad thing

    Quote Originally Posted by b.larset View Post
    I want nationalism- The new Americanism. One nation one voice one world to make in our image. To champion the causes of the underprivaleged and make justice and the rule of law our way of foregin affairs. Spreading the American high minded ideals to the world. Offering the new brand of Americanism to be shared and held with a sense of pride for everyone.
    The first state in the new era of AMERICAN VALUES first an foremost is ARIZONA. Reaffirming our belief in self rule and dedicating this century
    to those who come after us to carry on the, Great Experiment.
    I know this is going to come as a shock, but your high minded American ideals are actually largely European (particularly British and French ideals).

    You may want to look up the following:

    Magna Carta - England - 1215
    - Begins to establish that all men - including kings are equal under the law

    Habeas Corpus Act - England - 1679
    - Stengthens existing laws against unlawful detention that had been on English statute books for nearly 300 years

    English Bill of Rights - England - 1689 (98 years before the US Constitution was signed)
    - The American consitution is largely based on this document.

    US Declaration of Independence - United States - 1776
    - Incredibly beautiful document written largely by Thomas Jefferson.
    - "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."
    - No one notices the absurdity of using this sentence to declare independence for a country that has institutionalized slavery

    US Constitution Ratified - United States - 1787?
    - Another beautifully written document
    - Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 institutionalizes the idea that all men are not created equal when it states that slaves only count as three fifths of a man when apportioning seats in the House of Representatives

    The US has been telling everyone that it came up with the ideas of western democracy ever since. It didn't - it just had better marketing than the British

    :-)

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