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  • I am sick and tired of hearing about racism!

    76 87.36%
  • I think the race card should be played more often!

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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I would go to those places, but honestly how do you think my message will be taken in a black/Latino community or as a white Yankee that moved down south? The people who should be addressing this are people within the communities that don't buy into racism or lies.
    Have you ever considered that a black man from urban Memphis has had a racial experience in life that is utterly unfathomable to you? And thus, their experience of racism isn't a "LIE," it is a difference that you can't conceive, because you have no idea what it means to grow up black in America.

    I bet you have never experienced people not looking you in the eye, fearing you, locking car doors around you, assuming you're a criminal in stores.

    Have you? But a lot of young black men have, for no reason other than the color of their skin.

    Maybe, instead of dismissing their experiences as "lies," you could listen.

    I'm a white woman from Missouri, and I've had very little problem working in the hood anywhere in the U.S., including in Memphis, because I've worked in those areas long enough to know what kids there deal with. And, I didn't have any problems when I was your age, because instead of telling people about race, I realized I didn't know jack **** about what it meant to be black, and I took the time to learn and hear their experiences.

    You haven't, and you have no idea. Your ideas about race are shaped by the media, not by any actual experience of being a minority. You have no clue what it's like.

    And I understand that a 19 year old black man from Memphis may have a different experience, but what about the white kid who is denied aid and scholarships because of his skin color (me)
    What scholarship were you denied? I hear these claims often, but they are rarely substantiated.

    or who is told that my ancestors were wicked slave drivers and that it's my responsibility to atone for the sins of the white race?
    You've been told this, in actuality?

    What irks me though is the race card being played far too liberally (I am not talk about liberals, just using the word). The government and media play the racist card to ignore a group's message or paint them all as backwoods radicals. The leaders (like Sharpton and Jackson) have power and make a killing on accusing people of being racists (heck, Jackson even said Obama deserves to have his nuts cut off for acting too "white"). I think the media and the leaders like Sharpton and Jackson only add fuel to the flame and further divide the country ethnically.
    You play the race card every day when you walk down the street as a white man, and have no idea how differently you are treated, or the social advantages you receive because you were born white.

    For the record, I don't believe in affirmative action, and I think this country has come a long ways, racially. I also believe that Sharpton et. al. aren't particularly helpful.

    However, it's also not helpful to distort the problem or pretend that it doesn't exist anymore. Sharpton et. al. don't speak for most blacks, and never have. That doesn't mean that most blacks don't regularly experience being treated differently because of their skin color, however.
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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Have you ever considered that a black man from urban Memphis has had a racial experience in life that is utterly unfathomable to you? And thus, their experience of racism isn't a "LIE," it is a difference that you can't conceive, because you have no idea what it means to grow up black in America.
    I may not know what it's like to grow up black in America, but I know what it's like to grow up in a inter-racial poor neighborhood. Near where I used to live I remember a story about some white tourists to DC ventured into a ghetto and were killed simply because they were white and thought to have money. What about those who have experienced racism and murder simply because they happened to be white/Latino/black? I think all discrimination is wrong, but it isn't a white on black only issue.
    I bet you have never experienced people not looking you in the eye, fearing you, locking car doors around you, assuming you're a criminal in stores.
    Actually I have experienced that. When I went to Haiti I was treated with racism because I was white, but more so because I have a French last name. The lady at the passport counter yelled at me because I didn't speak French and told me to my face that because my last name is French that I should learn French. Although I only experienced Racism in Port-Au-Prince and not in other parts of the country. Personally I don't see minorities as criminals and I don't feel unsafe around them. I've even witnessed a gang shooting done by two black guys right in front of me (they randomly went into a Sonic I was at, walked into the store without a word and started firing on the manager who also fired back at them). Being treated as a criminal for one's race is an issue at the level of individuals. If bigots and morons want to believe all minorities steal and treat them like criminals then that's the problem of the moronic racists who cant deal with reality.
    Have you? But a lot of young black men have, for no reason other than the color of their skin.
    I think that's unfortunate and wrong for them to be treated that way. But this also doesn't mean all white people view minorities like that. Although I have had people mistreat me because I was white, and therefore a rich racist who secretly hates the darker peoples of the earth. There is the whole "white guilt" complex and I have known people who treat minorities better and with more respect simply because they fear acting racist or having someone believe they are racists.
    Maybe, instead of dismissing their experiences as "lies," you could listen.
    The lies I am talking about are the lies that say black people can't get anywhere because of the racist white devil. They lie and say that black people can't get jobs or that the whole nation is racist and they are set up to fail simply because of their race. Reality isn't like that, in fact there are extra and unfair advantages to minorities like extra college scholarships given simply because of race. Affirmative action is another thing that gives minorities an extra edge. We have a black president, there are many black actors and black athletes that are in the national spotlight. If this was a racist country then they wouldn't be where they are, especially when it comes to entertainment. The lies I am tired of are the lies that say blacks can't do anything because of their race, that whites are all racists and secretly harbor feelings of contempt, and the typical race baiting and race card playing that goes on in partisan politics.
    I'm a white woman from Missouri, and I've had very little problem working in the hood anywhere in the U.S., including in Memphis, because I've worked in those areas long enough to know what kids there deal with.

    You haven't, and you have no idea. Your ideas about race are shaped by the media, not by any actual experience of being a minority. You have no clue what it's like.
    I don't know what it's like to be a minority and neither will any other white person, but I do have an idea. My experience is that I was born to a very poor family in a black neighborhood. I moved to a very inter-racial community near DC that was also lower income (my babysitters were a black family and an Iranian Muslim woman). My dad worked in a prison and also worked for the government cleaning up project housing. I am almost 20 so my life's experience isn't very wide, but in my 20 years of life I have experienced a lot. My life hasn't been living in the cushy upper-class suburbs in an all white conservative neighborhood.

    What scholarship were you denied? I hear these claims often, but they are rarely substantiated.



    You've been told this, in actuality?



    You play the race card every day when you walk down the street as a white man, and have no idea how differently you are treated, or the social advantages you receive because you were born white.
    Here is a site that was linked from my school's website that lists all sorts of outside African American scholarships African American Scholarships. All of which I would be denied. Plus on the ACT they had us fill out a circle asking if we were either Native American or African American because special scholarships could be given for that.

    How am I playing the race card by simply being a white man with Native American ancestry? I'm not playing anything by being biologically different. I don't know of any social advantages I have received because of my race, in fact I have hard to work harder to get into school and work my butt off to keep a 3.0+ GPA as a molecular biology student. Without that I lose my earned academic scholarship that keeps me afloat financially at school. I will say that as a short person that looks young I have been discriminated against and even was denied a job because I looked too young (people say I look about 15).
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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Bottom line...

    Racism sucks, it has always been here and will in all likelihood always be here in one from or another.

    The thing is even if you are tired of it, it cannot be allowed to hide unhindered in the darkness, like anything else that is considered evil or subversive.

    If we do not remember the past, we are doomed to repeat it.
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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How am I playing the race card by simply being a white man with Native American ancestry? I'm not playing anything by being biologically different. I don't know of any social advantages I have received because of my race, in fact I have hard to work harder to get into school and work my butt off to keep a 3.0+ GPA as a molecular biology student. Without that I lose my earned academic scholarship that keeps me afloat financially at school. I will say that as a short person that looks young I have been discriminated against and even was denied a job because I looked too young (people say I look about 15).
    They are all private organizations, or at least it looks that way. So they are well within their rights to do so.

    Unless it is a government agency, nothing wrong with it.
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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They are all private organizations, or at least it looks that way. So they are well within their rights to do so.

    Unless it is a government agency, nothing wrong with it.
    I agree, however I think the premise may be a tad racist. Yeah I think the good intention is to help African Americans go to school, but solely helping them means excluding others because of their race. It would be much more fair and beneficial to have private scholarships for lower income students. But I agree, if it's private there is technically no problem with it. However I believe there are some federal minority scholarships, I'll have to check into it.

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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I agree, however I think the premise may be a tad racist. Yeah I think the good intention is to help African Americans go to school, but solely helping them means excluding others because of their race. It would be much more fair and beneficial to have private scholarships for lower income students. But I agree, if it's private there is technically no problem with it. However I believe there are some federal minority scholarships, I'll have to check into it.
    It's not racist to help your own people. It would be racist if by offering the scholarships to certain races based on superiority or something along those lines. I doubt that is the case though.
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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It's not racist to help your own people. It would be racist if by offering the scholarships to certain races based on superiority or something along those lines. I doubt that is the case though.
    Why do you have to be so right all the time?

    I agree with you that it isn't wrong, I just don't like the idea of donating money to a fund that's goal is to help out one type of race based on race.

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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Why do you have to be so right all the time?

    I agree with you that it isn't wrong, I just don't like the idea of donating money to a fund that's goal is to help out one type of race based on race.
    You don't have to like it. It's a private organization. Don't join or donate.

    I got a scholarship to college from the Southern Baptist Convention. They're freaking discriminatory towards Catholics, can ya believe it?

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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You don't have to like it. It's a private organization. Don't join or donate.

    I got a scholarship to college from the Southern Baptist Convention. They're freaking discriminatory towards Catholics, can ya believe it?
    I just agreed that it's alright for private organizations to do that, however I don't like the premise of only helping out a group based on their race.

    I go to a Church of Christ private university and they give scholarships to children who's parents work in the Church of Christ. My dad is a pastor for another denomination and I see none of that money because of that. I think Christians should tear down the walls of denominational bondage, but that's just my tangent rant on the subject

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    Re: Who here is tired of hearing about racism?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I just agreed that it's alright for private organizations to do that, however I don't like the premise of only helping out a group based on their race.

    I go to a Church of Christ private university and they give scholarships to children who's parents work in the Church of Christ. My dad is a pastor for another denomination and I see none of that money because of that. I think Christians should tear down the walls of denominational bondage, but that's just my tangent rant on the subject
    People do it on the basis of religion all the time. Perfectly legal.

    Guess what? People in America have a right to help whatever kids they'd like to attend college, privately, in any way they'd wish, regardless of your likes.

    It's still a free country.

    And that ain't discrimination.

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