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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%

  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%
  • Total voters
    125
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What's off about this discussion is that people think calling someone a "fag" is just as bad as calling someone a "dirty hetero" or some word along those lines. There are several reasons for why some words are more offensive than others. For words like "nigger" and "fag," there are big enough movements, protests, and long histories that are tacked on to it.

I mean, if you are really offended by being called a "dirty hetero" or something then you should know that there's really not much to support making that hate speech. Hey, its okay if you're offended, and I feel your pain, but good luck turning that into something that is accepted as negative in our society.

Preferably I would eliminate any need for punishment against hate speech, since I believe it falls under freedom of speech, but as long as certain things are wrong and certain things are acceptable, that's how its gonna be.
 
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Your Star said:
But you know what would happen if someone said it on TV. Same with "fag", it's not illegal to say, you can't get arrested for saying that word. So I really don't get your point here.
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Television is not real life.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Are you telling us that if a white officer said, "Do you know how fast you were driving, ******?" you wouldn't file a complaint?
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If an officer pulled me over and said that, I doubt I would be worried about filing a complaint, lol.
 
Blackdog said:
Television is not real life.
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Let me elaborate, if some weatherman was going off about how " this weather is cotton picking weather, all you niggers should go out and connect with your ancestors" They would be fired, in a heartbeat. But if some guy on the street said it, there are no real repercussions, except maybe getting your ass kicked. Same with "fag", it's not illegal speech, but not popular speech either.
 
Your Star said:
Let me elaborate, if some weatherman was going off about how " this weather is cotton picking weather, all you niggers should go out and connect with your ancestors" They would be fired, in a heartbeat. But if some guy on the street said it, there are no real repercussions, except maybe getting your ass kicked. Same with "fag", it's not illegal speech, but not popular speech either.
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Not true. Depends on the state. In illinois calling someone nigger or fag can get you arrested.
 
So anyway, I have yet to hear someone answer the OP.

Is it right to stop gay marriage? Explain.
 
Blackdog said:
Not true. Depends on the state. In illinois calling someone nigger or fag can get you arrested.
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Than thats an unconstitutional law. Still has nothing to do with this debate.
 
Well here everyone, look at my avatar. Do you really honestly think "nigger" has any real weight with me? I would be more offended if someone called me a think lipped monkey.
 
Cilogy said:
So anyway, I have yet to hear someone answer the OP.

Is it right to stop gay marriage? Explain.
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well some have answered its just none were good per the criteria, they all failed and were debunked
 
Your Star said:
Than thats an unconstitutional law. Still has nothing to do with this debate.
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No it's not. Many laws would cover it..

Public disturbance etc.

Star I am an Ex cop from Illinois. I am failry (even though it was a long time ago) firmiliar with the laws at the time. As far as I know it has not been changed.
 
Blackdog said:
Well here everyone, look at my avatar. Do you really honestly think "nigger" has any real weight with me? I would be more offended if someone called me a think lipped monkey.
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Tell me, oh wise one, why on Earth would your avatar connote that?
 
Blackdog said:
Well here everyone, look at my avatar. Do you really honestly think "nigger" has any real weight with me? I would be more offended if someone called me a think lipped monkey.
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thats from pickaninny freeze, wheres the "dis sure am good" avatar
 
Cilogy said:
So anyway, I have yet to hear someone answer the OP.

Is it right to stop gay marriage? Explain.
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Yes. It has been explained countless times already. Most of the reasons were pretty good and the rest of the counter points failed or were debunked out of hand.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes. It has been explained countless times already. Most of the reasons were pretty good and the rest of the counter points failed or were debunked out of hand.
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correction per the premise of the OP and AMERICA and its laws and whats rights, ALL failed and were thoroughly debunked
 
Blackdog said:
No it's not. Many laws would cover it..

Public disturbance etc.

Star I am an Ex cop from Illinois. I am failry (even though it was a long time ago) firmiliar with the laws at the time. As far as I know it has not been changed.
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Well I could see it as a public disturbance from a profanity stand-point. But I think profanity laws a bull$hit anyway so.
 
Your Star said:
Well I could see it as a public disturbance from a profanity stand-point. But I think profanity laws a bull$hit anyway so.
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Yep. I agree.

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Cilogy said:
Tell me, oh wise one, why on Earth would your avatar connote that?
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I got it, its an ad picture from pickaninny freeze which was "back in the day" black-exploitation and used exaggerated black characters and depictions and language that would certainly be offensive by todays standards, its basically a symbol/reminder of how tolerant people were of racism back in the day.

BUT

i agree with you in that many wouldnt know that
 
Centrist77 said:
thats from pickaninny freeze, wheres the "dis sure am good" avatar
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Don't have that one. Besides I like this one better.

It is good to be able to laugh at ones self from time to time.
 
Blackdog said:
Not true. Depends on the state. In illinois calling someone nigger or fag can get you arrested.
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I've never seen that happen here in Illinois.

Of course, the gay black caucus are like ninjas. You never see them.
 
Cilogy said:
Lets look at it this way. Korimyr is right in that we as the state do dictate what is legal, but the morality of said "justice" is questionable.
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We're the only ones who can judge whether or not our justice is moral. We define what is moral, the same way that we define what is legal. It is always questionable, which is why consensus and certainty are so essential.

Cilogy said:
So when you ask the question "Is it fair to stop gay marriage?" the answer is "yes" in our American democratic society. But the question "Is it right to stop gay marriage?" the answer is currently debatable but like many other morals in US history, it could turn out to be "no."
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Regardless of what society does, each of us has to live with his own conscience. We have the privilege and the obligation to speak our minds, and to try to line society's conscience up with our own.
 
Blackdog said:
Don't have that one. Besides I like this one better.

It is good to be able to laugh at ones self from time to time.
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agreed, I like it better also, i have the tins on my bar wall downstairs, what about uncle remus syrup? (sp?)
 
Centrist77 said:
I got it, its an ad picture from pickaninny freeze which was "back in the day" black-exploitation and used exaggerated black characters and depictions and language that would certainly be offensive by todays standards, its basically a symbol/reminder of how tolerant people were of racism back in the day.

BUT

i agree with you in that many wouldnt know that
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Yep. It was just to make a point about "gay, nigger" etc. Dose not really get me going. I think it is stupid.
 
Centrist77 said:
agreed, I like it better also, i have the tins on my bar wall downstairs, what about uncle remus syrup? (sp?)
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No way. You know I am trying to get a copy of "Darkies in the Melon Patch" as a joke for a friend of mine. I hope I can get it. The look on his face will be picture and story worthy.

You know people don't appreciate the art etc from that time. Yes it was insulting, but that makes it no less art and part of our history.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
It will have an effect on the society that we all must live in. The core of the issue here is what we, as a society, are willing to accept as normal.
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I doubt it will have much, if any impact for anyone except those who will be able to get married because gay marriage is legalized.
 
Blackdog said:
No way. You know I am trying to get a copy of "Darkies in the Melon Patch" as a joke for a friend of mine. I hope I can get it. The look on his face will be picture and story worthy.

You know people don't appreciate the art etc from that time. Yes it was insulting, but that makes it no less art and part of our history.
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not sure if im familiar with that one but the tins i have can be purchased on-line if you look hard enough, id "guess" that one would be there if its a tin?

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