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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%

  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%
  • Total voters
    125
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Lets look at it this way. Korimyr is right in that we as the state do dictate what is legal, but the morality of said "justice" is questionable.

What about the mid 1800s, when slavery was legal? Most were probably in favor of it too. Slavery is wrong, but even that's a matter of opinion (think about it).

So when you ask the question "Is it fair to stop gay marriage?" the answer is "yes" in our American democratic society. But the question "Is it right to stop gay marriage?" the answer is currently debatable but like many other morals in US history, it could turn out to be "no."
 
Blackdog said:
No I am not, I am just being called...

Anti American, Bigot, Hypocrite etc, etc. Because I stand up for what I believe in.

Now I know sticks and stones etc, I mean I know I am none of those. This does not make someone insulting you any better.
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Being called names, and being denied marriage privileges for no reason are two different things.
 
Blackdog said:
That is so funny considering the majority are not in favor of gay marriage.

So by your own standards, we can safely say you don't care about your fellow Americans. :lol:
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really?
so let me get this straight, YOU want the law to reflect YOUR views and FORCE YOUR views on OTHERS?
I want EVERYBODY to get their way and EVERYBODY to get to practice their OWN views but some how you figure that "i" dont care? LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
your lack of logic in your failed arguments is astounding at times! :shock:

newsflash, im trying to enforce the LAW and protect them because I care
Im trying to stop discrimination and enforce equal and civil rights and i want EVERYBODY to get their way, you only want YOU to get your way and force YOUR way on others ooooooooops, i guess you forget that little important part since it would destroy your silly post

so blindly wrong yet again LMAO
 
Blackdog said:
Morality is, and in a sense so are equal rights, yes.

Lets go to China and ask them about morals and equal rights?
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But in the context of the US are they?
 
Your Star said:
Being called names, and being denied marriage privileges for no reason are two different things.
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Well if I call someone a "fag" and he happens to be gay I can be arrested for a hate crime. If someone calls me "bigot" no big deal.

Do the math.
 
Your Star said:
But in the context of the US are they?
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Yes absolutely. We owned slaves for how long? Absolutely subjective.

You seem to be under the impression because you don't like the reality of the situation, this somehow matters? Hmmm.
 
Blackdog said:
Well if I call someone a "fag" and he happens to be gay I can be arrested for a hate crime. If someone calls me "bigot" no big deal.

Do the math.
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Comments about a person's attitude or form of opinion is different from a person's sexuality.

Math done.
 
Blackdog said:
No I am not, I am just being called...

Anti American, Bigot, Hypocrite etc, etc. Because I stand up for what I believe in.

Now I know sticks and stones etc, I mean I know I am none of those. This does not make someone insulting you any better.
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well i never called you a bigot but it has been proved you are a hypocrite and it can be easily argued that you are anti-american in the sense because your bible is more important than america, fellow americans, the constitution, laws etc. what you fail to see is LUCKILY since you live in america you are free to feel that way and you take it for granted and turn a cheek to it

again since i stand up for all americans including you, even though you dont, I think its fine you feel that way, in this country you are free to do so, I just want you man up and admit it instead of trying to hide.
 
Blackdog said:
Well if I call someone a "fag" and he happens to be gay I can be arrested for a hate crime. If someone calls me "bigot" no big deal.

Do the math.
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So if someone calls you the N word you wouldn't get mad?
 
Cilogy said:
Comments about a person's attitude or form of opinion is different from a person's sexuality.

Math done.
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again with logic, stop using logic it really messes up his points
 
Centrist77 said:
really?
so let me get this straight, YOU want the law to reflect YOUR views and FORCE YOUR views on OTHERS?
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By force? Hehehehehe, no, by legally working within the system.

Centrist77 said:
I want EVERYBODY to get their way and EVERYBODY to get to practice their OWN views but some how you figure that "i" dont care? LMAO hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
your lack of logic in your failed arguments is astounding at times! :shock:
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And you just don’t read what I am saying. It is kind of unrealistic for everyone to get their own way. This will never happen. It can’t as it has been tried and failed.

Centrist77 said:
newsflash, im trying to enforce the LAW and protect them because I care
Im trying to stop discrimination and enforce equal and civil rights and i want EVERYBODY to get their way, you only want YOU to get your way and force YOUR way on others ooooooooops, i guess you forget that little important part since it would destroy your silly post

so blindly wrong yet again LMAO
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You tend to over react to everything I say. You come of …. well badly.

Fact is I have already stated it will never work. Right now all of us can think of at least 5 laws we are against. Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. No one will ever be able to do everything they want.

I will ignore the rest as I already responded to that first and you are just repeating the silly force thing again.
 
Cilogy said:
Comments about a person's attitude or form of opinion is different from a person's sexuality.

Math done.
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So if someone call me a "dirty hetero" or a "sick hetero" they should also be arrested for hate speach?
 
Blackdog said:
So if someone call me a "dirty hetero" or a "sick hetero" they should also be arrested for hate speach?
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:prof The call us "breeders".
 
Blackdog said:
So if someone call me a "dirty hetero" or a "sick hetero" they should also be arrested for hate speach?
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I don't even think people should be arrested for calling someone a "fag." What I was trying to say was that you can't compare being called a "bigot" to begin called a "fag."

Now if you or a homosexual person were to do some violent act then yes, obviously. Otherwise its just speech.
 
Centrist77 said:
well i never called you a bigot but it has been proved you are a hypocrite and it can be easily argued that you are anti-american in the sense because your bible is more important than america, fellow americans, the constitution, laws etc. what you fail to see is LUCKILY since you live in america you are free to feel that way and you take it for granted and turn a cheek to it
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Yes you have called me some of those, but I was not singling you out in the post . A few have.

Yes I live in America and I am free to think what I like.

Centrist77 said:
again since i stand up for all americans including you, even though you dont, I think its fine you feel that way, in this country you are free to do so, I just want you man up and admit it instead of trying to hide.
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No, you are debating an issue on an Internet message board. I was in the field 24/7 for 8 years, then did 4 more on the state level. Not even including reserves.

Sorry, I did more in one day to support and serve America than you have probably done in your life. No insult intended, just a fact.
 
Blackdog said:
By force? Hehehehehe, no, by legally working within the system.
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now it would be by force no matter how you try to disquise it, nice try, on the subject of gay marriage
you WANT discrimination
you do NOT want civil and equal rights

spin it how you want these are facts



Blackdog said:
And you just don't read what I am saying. It is kind of unrealistic for everyone to get their own way. This will never happen. It can't as it has been tried and failed.
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actually on this issue if gay marriage is legal yes then all parties involved BOTH get their ways, both are free to marry not just one and the other stopping them from equal rights. this is just more double talk by you, sorry im not dumb enough to fall for it



Blackdog said:
You tend to over react to everything I say. You come of . well badly.

Fact is I have already stated it will never work. Right now all of us can think of at least 5 laws we are against. Sometimes you win and sometimes you loose. No one will ever be able to do everything they want.

I will ignore the rest as I already responded to that first and you are just repeating the silly force thing again.
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whatever you say but you opinion of me coming off "badly" is meaningless to me LMAO nor would I hold any value in anyone like you judging me. Tell me why I would care about a person who wants to discriminate and does NOT want equal and civil rights? thats right I wouldnt LMAO

in this case it will work and you ignore it because you cant debate it as usual, nothing new here
 
Blackdog said:
Not really. It's not true. So why would I or should I care?
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But you know what would happen if someone said it on TV. Same with "fag", it's not illegal to say, you can't get arrested for saying that word. So I really don't get your point here.
 
Cilogy said:
I don't even think people should be arrested for calling someone a "fag." What I was trying to say was that you can't compare being called a "bigot" to begin called a "fag."
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Yes you can. They are both derogatory, period. Unless you want to throw in a little relativism?

Cilogy said:
Now if you or a homosexual person were to do some violent act then yes, obviously. Otherwise its just speech.
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Exactly my point.

So if someone calls me "nigger" it is fair to have them arrested for hate speech. If I call someone "honky" they just laugh and go on their way? It does not work that way
 
Blackdog said:
Yes you have called me some of those, but I was not singling you out in the post . A few have.

Yes I live in America and I am free to think what I like.



No, you are debating an issue on an Internet message board. I was in the field 24/7 for 8 years, then did 4 more on the state level. Not even including reserves.

Sorry, I did more in one day to support and serve America than you have probably done in your life. No insult intended, just a fact.
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All I heard was "RAAAAA! LOOK AT HOW AWESOME I AM!"

What does this have to do with anything?
 
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Blackdog said:
Yes you can. They are both derogatory, period. Unless you want to throw in a little relativism?
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Read my posts CAREFULLY.

I did not say that its not possible, I said that I think they should not be arrested.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes you have called me some of those, but I was not singling you out in the post . A few have.

Yes I live in America and I am free to think what I like.
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translation: "I have no answer or argument against what you said so ill play it off"



Blackdog said:
No, you are debating an issue on an Internet message board. I was in the field 24/7 for 8 years, then did 4 more on the state level. Not even including reserves.

Sorry, I did more in one day to support and serve America than you have probably done in your life. No insult intended, just a fact.
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translation: "Ill just redirect and appeal to emotion, ill talk about me serving and just flat out ignore that I still want to discriminate and still do NOT want civil and equal rights if it goes against my morals and hope they forget."

dont worry we wont, no insult intended, just facts
 
Blackdog said:
Not really. It's not true. So why would I or should I care?
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Are you telling us that if a white officer said, "Do you know how fast you were driving, ******?" you wouldn't file a complaint?
 
Cilogy said:
All I heard was "RAAAAA! LOOK AT HOW AWESOME I AM!"
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you're not the only one LMAO, everybody saw straight through that appeal to emotion
 
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