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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%

  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%
  • Total voters
    125
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Southern Man said:
We base many of our laws on morality. I'm not against some sort of legal legitimacy for queers in a long-term relationship; I'm against lying about the nature of that relationship. Stop lying about it and we'll be in near-complete agreement. :mrgreen:
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What exactly are we lying about? Please do tell.
 
Blackdog said:
Yes I would. That has not changed.

Read the post above.
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One could say "What would Jesus do?"
We really do not know; in our Bible He spoke but several hundred words, he was never confronted with this problem.
I do not like the concept of "gay" marriage.
If a so-called gay church were to perform the ceremony, I'd go along with it.
Surprisingly, a majority (60%) here are against the homosexual marriage....
The prevalent thing must be the happiness of the people...
 
Southern Man said:
Nice Straw Man. But again, the Bible is the source of morality as told by Jesus and His disciples. The Bible is also a historical record of both good and bad.
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Wrong, its the abridged and redone version of the orignial Tanach, which does not speak out against homosexualty, its only in the much newer Bible that it was added for no appernt reason, other than what I think and wont say cause of fears of derailing the thread :)

and again separation of Church and state m8, if you want "mortalty" go live in the vatican, cause as a private citizen living in the USA you have to honor the rights of every human-being 1st and then some book ;)
 
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I hate to say it but this thread right here- this sort of thing- is what gives Christians a bad reputation.
This is why they're disliked by so many people.
Not because we hate spirituality, not because we're just looking for someone to persecute and discriminate against.

This thread. (not to mention many other threads on this forum, especially many in the abortion section).
This is why.
 
1069 said:
I hate to say it but this thread right here- this sort of thing- is what gives Christians a bad reputation.
This is why they're disliked by so many people.
Not because we hate spirituality, not because we're just looking for someone to persecute and discriminate against.

This thread. (not to mention many other threads on this forum, especially many in the abortion section).
This is why.
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Its cause most forget that as people living in the USA the bible is nothing but a book...Compared to democratic/constitutional rights
and thats where the issues begin, when religious values are forced upon citizens who do not wish to follow them rather the Constitution..
 
Blackdog said:
No I did not. I said because it is a sin. I also said because the Bible says it is a sin.




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But WHY is it a sin? What basic concept does it violate concerning the treatment of one person by another? Is it harmful? Exploitive? Unfair? What inherent understanding of the notion of doing unto others does homosexuality violate?

Unless you can formulate an actual REASON why homosexuality is a sin and do so while avoiding complete sophistry, your answer only boils down to "just because".
 
Gardener said:
But WHY is it a sin? What basic concept does it violate concerning the treatment of one person by another? Is it harmful? Exploitive? Unfair? What inherent understanding of the notion of doing unto others does homosexuality violate?

Unless you can formulate an actual REASON why homosexuality is a sin and do so while avoiding complete sophistry, your answer only boils down to "just because".
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Yeah, if God really gave a crap about it, it would've been one of the ten commandments.
He said those are the only rules his followers have to abide by.
 
Gardener said:
But WHY is it a sin? What basic concept does it violate concerning the treatment of one person by another? Is it harmful? Exploitive? Unfair? What inherent understanding of the notion of doing unto others does homosexuality violate?

Unless you can formulate an actual REASON why homosexuality is a sin and do so while avoiding complete sophistry, your answer only boils down to "just because".
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Couldn't agree more. There is no reason homosexuality would be a sin. I don't believe it's a sin, and I know other Christians that don't believe it is a sin. Though unfortunately we are a minority.
 
Well, you know the Catholic Church, under the Roman Emperor Constantine, did a lot of creative "editing" of the bible.
I mean, this is an historical fact. It's not even refuted by most educated bible scholars.

The Ten commandments contain no prohibition against homosexuality or homosexual acts and neither do the 613 Mitzvot, which were the 613 laws that Moses subsequently imposed on the Israelites.
Not one single mention of homosexuality.

It is worth noting that Constantine had engaged in homosexual relationships himself, before he converted to Christianity.
It is fairly likely that those few, isolated mentions of homosexuality in the bible were placed there in 325 AD, by Constantine and the Council of Nicea, for either personal or socio-political reasons.
 
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Maybe it's a question of poo poo

 
bub said:
Maybe it's a question of poo poo



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If God had a problem with poop, he wouldn't have invented it.
Besides, male-female couples can just as easily engage in all this anal stuff he's so concerned about.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
No, you're only trying to push your morals as law, which is I think a more serious matter than merely presenting them as fact.
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100% WRONG
my morals are NOT involved, the current laws are. Discrimination is whats involved just cause some of my morals happen to agree is meaningless has i know peole that totally are against gay marriage "personally" but understand its none of their buisness and think they should be allowed since this is AMERICA. So you misunderstood but you did.



Korimyr the Rat said:
Your opposition to discrimination is a moral value. Your belief that moral values shouldn't be forced on others is not only itself a moral value, it is an inherently self-contradictory moral value. By crafting law in accordance with your moral values, you are by definition forcing others to abide by them..
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my discrimination is based on LAW not morals no matter how hard you try to make it that way but its not your decision you dont get to tell me my motives or whats going on in my head lol Nice try but your still wrong.
 
Wow I have seen some beatings take place on here but this is one for the books. SM takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Lets check the counter

GOOD REASONS TO STOP IT: 0
 
Centrist77 said:
Wow I have seen some beatings take place on here but this is one for the books. SM takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Lets check the counter

GOOD REASONS TO STOP IT: 0
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Yeah, SM is a scrappy little dude. Its part of what makes him fun.
 
actually the ten commandments are only called like that in English...In hebrew it litterly " the ten suggestions ( you could say) " God never actually commanded it..Again how the Bible is an abridged version of the Tanach, and with its trasnlation to English changed its whole tone and meaning ;)
 
CrazyMcCool said:
actually the ten commandments are only called like that in English...In hebrew it litterly " the ten suggestions ( you could say) " God never actually commanded it..Again how the Bible is an abridged version of the Tanach, and with its trasnlation to English changed its whole tone and meaning ;)
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I don't even believe in God.
What we're discussing in this thread, however, is whether homosexuality is wrong from a biblical perspective.
The Ten Commandments are the basis of abrahamic religions, specifically Christianity.
There were also the Mitzvot, which was an additional 600+ rules and prohibitions that Moses made up for the Israelites to follow, after allegedly receiving the Ten Commandments.
Those don't mention or prohibit homosexuality, either.
 
Yup I know :)
I dont believe in god either.

I am just making a point about how stuff gets so scrwed up by people translating it that they themselfs dont know what they are reading and they end up making up stuff...
And in the end it gives everyone a bad image :)
 
1069 said:
I don't even believe in God.
What we're discussing in this thread, however, is whether homosexuality is wrong from a biblical perspective.
The Ten Commandments are the basis of abrahamic religions, specifically Christianity.
There were also the Mitzvot, which was an additional 600+ rules and prohibitions that Moses made up for the Israelites to follow, after allegedly receiving the Ten Commandments.
Those don't mention or prohibit homosexuality, either.
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It would be committing adultery. Homosexuality, by itself, isn't a sin until it is acted upon. Since gays couldn't marry their lovers when of the same sex, this would always be a pretty big sinful act. You gotta marry the person you love before you have sex with them.
 
Southern Man said:
If Gay Marriage is legal then children will have to be taught a lie, that homosexuality is normal moral natural and healthy, which it ain't.
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Homosexuality is normal and healthy. You will not die because you are gay, you do not have any worse morals because you are gay, and it happens in nature so it's natural.

Any counter argument other than the Bible?
 
Your Star said:
Homosexuality is normal and healthy. You will not die because you are gay, you do not have any worse morals because you are gay, and it happens in nature so it's natural.

Any counter argument other than the Bible?
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The arguments have already been made here. You can re-read the thread and ask specifics, but I will not entertain trolling.
 
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