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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%
  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%

  • Total voters
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This is both the ciricular resoning and appeal to popularity logical fallacy. The Bible is not evidence that your morals are fact, you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible is fact, and the Bibile's popularity is meaningless in proving facts.

You keep trying and you keep failing. Where are those links to research that prove your position? :lol:

Yeah, I'm out of here. Trying to argue with a True Believer is a waste of time, because evidence and logic mean nothing to them.

And let's face it, religion is all about NOT asking these kinds of questions -- the religious leaders don't want you to think for yourselves, because then you won't necessarily believe that they have the "answers."

Adam was punished from eating from the "Tree of Knowledge." Bible followers are told that they are like sheep and Jesus is their shepherd. Individuality and free thought are discouraged and punished.

You're not going to get far debating with someone who thinks that questioning authority is a bad thing.
 
What are the "queers" lying about?

I was curious about that, as well.
Hopefully, he'll elaborate.
It ought to be just super-entertaining. :2razz:
 
What are the "queers" lying about?

Shhh... they're not. Southern Man hasn't proven anything he says, so now all he is going to do is repeat those fallacies... and we'll have to demonstrate how they have no basis in reality, again.
 
Aw, Cap'n! :mad:
I wanna know what he thinks the happily cohabitating "queers" are "lying to children" about.
 
Aw, Cap'n! :mad:
I wanna know what he thinks the happily cohabitating "queers" are "lying to children" about.

I'm sure he'll post it. He has no new material, and has been pwned on his old stuff. It'll give him an opportunity to try his failed positions on a new audience.
 
With the language that you used, here, you would be correct. However, I would rephrase. Homosexuality in and of itself is just a different sexual orientation from heterosexuality, not an abnormality, and factually, there is nothing else beyond this statement. Gay marriage differs in no measurable way from straight marriage, and factually, there is nothing beyond this statement.

Isn't "normal" and thus "abnormal", as understood by modern psychiatry, measured in context with societal norms? While it is factually true that it is naturally occurring and mostly inalterable, the matter of whether or not it is normal is culturally subjective.

As for your second point, I'm inclined to agree. There's no factual evidence that gay marriage differs from straight marriage, outside the issue of sexual orientation itself, which is why I believe it should be encouraged similarly.

I agree but since i havent tried to push my morals has fact the point is moot.

No, you're only trying to push your morals as law, which is I think a more serious matter than merely presenting them as fact.

I have only argued its discrimination which it is and my morals have nothing to do with that. In america i clealry understand my morals are not yours nor would i force mine on you and my morals would never be the basis or argument and never were.

Your opposition to discrimination is a moral value. Your belief that moral values shouldn't be forced on others is not only itself a moral value, it is an inherently self-contradictory moral value. By crafting law in accordance with your moral values, you are by definition forcing others to abide by them.
 
Isn't "normal" and thus "abnormal", as understood by modern psychiatry, measured in context with societal norms?


From a psychiatric perspective, yes; but the mainstream psychiatric community does not consider homosexuality to be "abnormal", although it was once classified as such.
It's a variation of normalcy.
 
From a psychiatric perspective, yes; but the mainstream psychiatric community does not consider homosexuality to be "abnormal", although it was once classified as such.
It's a variation of normalcy.

With all due respect for their expertise, the psychiatric community is a small minority of society and their views, while highly influential, do not represent the whole of society. This is demonstrated by the fact that there is still considerable controversy over homosexuality more than thirty years after the psychiatric community declared it "normal".
 
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Isn't "normal" and thus "abnormal", as understood by modern psychiatry, measured in context with societal norms? While it is factually true that it is naturally occurring and mostly inalterable, the matter of whether or not it is normal is culturally subjective.

Not completely. In this context, t is less compared to societal norms, and more compared heterosexuals that exhibit no psychiatric issues. Often in psychiatry, this is the determinant for "normal". Usually a word that is used instead is "healthy".

As for your second point, I'm inclined to agree. There's no factual evidence that gay marriage differs from straight marriage, outside the issue of sexual orientation itself, which is why I believe it should be encouraged similarly.

Agreed.
 
ignored again due to off topic trolling and repeating yourself over and over again but not changing reality and the facts. Already explained to you as to way its CLEARLY off topic and Im dont has others are actually trying to debate the OP.

Thanks take care, good day sir :D

There aren't any others trying to debate the OP. The OP asked for a rational argument for stopping gay marriage, which I have provided. Southern Man is rambling on about how homosexuality is a sin, which is completely off topic, since sinners are allowed to marry each other all the time. Everyone else is arguing with SM about religion. I am the only one who is actually on topic per the OP. But since you refuse to address your own topic you can come address my virtually identical one:

if you want to debate a new topic start you own thread doing so and i will gladly answer anything you want in that thread.

As per your request, the thread is here:

Logical Argument against Gay Marriage
 
OK, so your argument is that the Bible is never wrong? And since it's in the Bible, you think it should be the law of the land?
Nice Straw Man. But again, the Bible is the source of morality as told by Jesus and His disciples. The Bible is also a historical record of both good and bad.
 
This is both the ciricular resoning and appeal to popularity logical fallacy. The Bible is not evidence that your morals are fact, you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible is fact, and the Bibile's popularity is meaningless in proving facts.

You keep trying and you keep failing. Where are those links to research that prove your position? :lol:

Wrong-o, because the Bible is not merely a popular book, but a guide to millions. I'm sorry that you fail to understand that simple fact.
 
Nice Straw Man. But again, the Bible is the source of morality as told by Jesus and His disciples. The Bible is also a historical record of both good and bad.

We don't base our laws on the Bible. So you can't use the Bible as an argument against gay marriage.

Not to mention Jesus never talked about homosexuality, and I believe homosexuality isn't a sin. And I'm a Christian, what kind of wrench does that put in your fixed morality?
 
Wrong-o, because the Bible is not merely a popular book, but a guide to millions. I'm sorry that you fail to understand that simple fact.

Ah, an appeal to popularity logical fallacy. Let us know when you have any actual evidence that has any logic to it, because thus far you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper into defeat.
 
You're half right, leading you to the wrong conclusion.

No, yours is an opinion no more valuable than anyone elses.

And yet, still no evidence. All you seem to have is your opinion... with when you add 25 cents to it is worth... 25 cents.
 
We don't base our laws on the Bible. So you can't use the Bible as an argument against gay marriage.

Not to mention Jesus never talked about homosexuality, and I believe homosexuality isn't a sin. And I'm a Christian, what kind of wrench does that put in your fixed morality?

We base many of our laws on morality. I'm not against some sort of legal legitimacy for queers in a long-term relationship; I'm against lying about the nature of that relationship. Stop lying about it and we'll be in near-complete agreement. :mrgreen:
 
I'm sorry that you can't see past mere science.

I'm sorry you have no ability to prove your position. I do appreciate, however, how you have helped to prove mine. :lol::lol::lol:
 
We base many of our laws on morality. I'm not against some sort of legal legitimacy for queers in a long-term relationship; I'm against lying about the nature of that relationship. Stop lying about it and we'll be in near-complete agreement. :mrgreen:

We base many of our laws on morality. If you are against lying about the nature of homosexual relationships, please stop doing it, or produce some evidence of your position. Otherwise, you are just making yourself look foolish with your nonsense and erroneous claims that your opinions are facts.
 
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