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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%
  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%

  • Total voters
    125
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Because of the "that's how it has always been card" you nailed it. This also considers the longevity and success from culture to culture over thousands of years.

We've had success with, and would have been absolutely fine with, walking around and riding on horses, but no, someone had to go and invent the automobile.

OK, it's a choice? You lost me.
Whether to adopt or not.
 
Cilogy: "In fact, I'm not even saying its right or wrong"

no .. you can't say it is right or wrong . . .
that is where you have to go beyond the 'opinions' of man to find an authoritive answer
 
Cilogy: "In fact, I'm not even saying its right or wrong"

no .. you can't say it is right or wrong . . .
that is where you have to go beyond the 'opinion's' of man to find an authoritive answer

That's my point, we don't need an authoritative answer. Gay marriage isn't affecting anyone negatively.

We are doing more harm preventing gay marriage than allowing it.
 
cilogy: Gay marriage isn't affecting anyone negatively

affecting anyone isn't the issue .. God designed the family unit . . .
he is the only one who has the authority to change the definition
 
cilogy: Gay marriage isn't affecting anyone negatively

affecting anyone isn't the issue .. God designed the family unit . . .
he is the only one who has the authority to change the definition

Oh man, nevermind then.
 
We've had success with, and would have been absolutely fine with, walking around and riding on horses, but no, someone had to go and invent the automobile.

Common, that is not the same thing and you know it. You can't compare human nature and the family to technological advances. Human nature and the nature of the human family does not change. Although the perception of such things can.

Whether to adopt or not.

I thought we agreed that was OK?
 
cilogy: Gay marriage isn't affecting anyone negatively

affecting anyone isn't the issue .. God designed the family unit . . .
he is the only one who has the authority to change the definition

I hate to admit it because the attack dogs mite come in but, I agree 100%.
 
1.)Obviously you would not be forced to accept it in your own mind. But as you yourself stated, one would be forced to accept it legally. Which I find at least somewhat unacceptable.

And your example comparisons are not valid.
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2.) If all legal marriages are called the same thing, it is obviously not a "different name", and quite the opposite of discrimination.

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3.)As to the legal name usage having no effect…That is obviously BS. If the legal usage of the term “marriage” had no effect, no one would care about gay marriage.

It is partially because people consider the very term “marriage” to be sacred that there IS such debate over it.

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4.)The "LAW" is doing what now?

And what are you ranting about?
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5 WTF??? I thought I had specifically stated that I would NOT stop others from having equal rights. In fact my suggestion was one of equal rights.
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First, this is not based on my religion, as I don't really have one.

Second, I never suggested naming gay marriage something different, which is what you seem to think I suggested.
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7.) There are currently two types of marriage.

Both are intertwined to an extent, and even if you renamed the legal part, they would still be intertwined.

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I never suggested that any religious right to marry would be effected.

Any law doing so would quickly be struck down as unconstitutional.

I was simply stating fact.

I never said religion would change. Did I?

Please point out where.
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1.) Legal does not matter to the religion has it doesnt change anything. People already have to accept things that are legal or not illegal they dont agree with so thats pointless. Like I said theres lot of things that religions or morals arent for or are against and they are not laws or illegal LOL
my example was very spot on Making gay marriage legal affect NO ONE in reality and is the fair and non-discriminative thing to do

2.) oh so only NOW we are going to change the name because of gays, yeah no discrimination in that at all LMAO. Maybe if this was tried BEFORE gay marriage was an issue but its too late now

3.) its not BS at all its FACT, people holding a word sacred is meaningless in this debate because they could still do that LMAO they hold it sacred based on RELIGION not how the state views it so their RELIGION for change there fore that sacredness wouldn't either that BS. There are many things the state views different than religion but it didnt all of a sudden become or make them UN-SACRED to religon lol like i said pure unsupported propaganda. Did the state doing divorce all of sudden make marriage un-sacred in everybody views and opinions? nothing the stat does can change the values of religion in REALITY.

4.) you said "if a law dictates that the word "marriage", in legal usage, is redefined as including same-sex unions, it could and probably will (if such is enacted) be argued as a violation of the US constitution."

i said the law does that now, not with gay marriage but with marriage period all it, is a contract and the sate already doesnt see the rules of marriage some religions have. So NO it will no be a violation of the constitution because the religions still get to do what they want

5.) as long as from now on they call it a NEW name LOL

6.) you just magically want it changed now lol it was ok all these years to be called marriage but not anymore if gays are going to be allowed to do it unless of course you have always thought this way ;)

7.) nope there is in fact only ONE kind of marriage recognized by state anything else above that is SECONDARY sorry they are NOT intertwined at all because only one is seen by state and religion is free to see what ever they want

8.) you made the statement "Religious marriage is a right, as part of the right to freedom of religion." and "it’s (gay marriage) the forcing of exception through legal means that is the issue I see here"

so if you didnt think religion would change why make that statement, with gay marriage religious marriage would still be a right and freedom of religion would still exist or were you just reminding me? sorry if i misunderstood but why make the statement

also there still would be NO forcing of anything what so ever on religion or people
 
cilogy: Gay marriage isn't affecting anyone negatively

affecting anyone isn't the issue .. God designed the family unit . . .
he is the only one who has the authority to change the definition


MAN !! make me read a freakn book . . . jeeesh !!

Blackdog: "I hate to admit it because the attack dogs mite come in but, I agree 100%."

attack dogs ?? .. buncha toothless slobbering drama-queens ??
 
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Oh man, nevermind then.


guess america is already in trouble then because state already has its own definition SEPARATE from religion

we're all doomed lmao
 
MAN !! make me read a freakn book . . . jeeesh !!

I hate to admit it because the attack dogs mite come in but, I agree 100%.

attack dogs ?? .. buncha toothless slobbering drama-queens ??

Most of them are good people. I enjoy debating here so I would not use those terms.

The opinions they hold are as valid as mine no matter how misguided I think theirs are, or they think mine are.

Some people can be self absorbed ass holes. And those (as I am certain you know) are the ones that we need to pray for.

Or talk smack about in the basement. ;)
 
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Centrist: "The world will be a better place when people realize its grey.
Life and reality are grey, not black and white, come to the middle, come to reality."


I'm sorry .. But I'd call that a dead-in-the-middle-of-the-road-armadillo
 
Common, that is not the same thing and you know it. You can't compare human nature and the family to technological advances. Human nature and the nature of the human family does not change. Although the perception of such things can.

Thank you, 100 million times over, for saying that.

My point was that it is human nature to walk on our two feet right? Progress can occur in anything that is man-made, automobiles or marriage.

You're right, its human nature. Its human nature for a person to be attracted to another person. However, marriage is a man-made thing, therefore it can be changed.


I thought we agreed that was OK?
Ok then we're done.

I hate to admit it because the attack dogs mite come in but, I agree 100%.

Then you both played the God card.

We're done here because not only are we going in circles, we are creating new ones every time we post.

I can just as easily say that my sugar-plum fairy God from Mars says that gay marriage is okay.

Call me back when you wanna have a serious discussion.
 
Cilogy: "Then you both played the God card . .
We're done here because not only are we going in circles . . . . "


Later dude =:0]

It's .. not really my opinion tha counts .. it's not really your opinion that counts .. what matters is:
what has God said .. and how clear can you or I understand what God meant by what he has said
 
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well its 11 here on the east coast so time to fall asleep to basketball :)

OP still firmly resting at ZERO reasons

good talks and good night
 
Thank you, 100 million times over, for saying that.

My point was that it is human nature to walk on our two feet right? Progress can occur in anything that is man-made, automobiles or marriage.

Marriage is not man made. Why do you think we don't want the definition changed???

You're right, its human nature. Its human nature for a person to be attracted to another person. However, marriage is a man-made thing, therefore it can be changed.

Again if you think that cool, I don't.

Then you both played the God card.

I did not play anything. I accepted his post as logical for a Christian.

We're done here because not only are we going in circles, we are creating new ones every time we post.

Actually here I agree.

I can just as easily say that my sugar-plum fairy God from Mars says that gay marriage is okay.

And unlike me, it would be a lie. That makes a huge difference. I actually agree.

Call me back when you wanna have a serious discussion.

We were having a serious discussion until you decided because we follow God, we can only go around in circles.

If you would make even a tiny bit of effort, you could at least see our side of it.
 
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well its 11 here on the east coast so time to fall asleep to basketball :)

OP still firmly resting at ZERO reasons

good talks and good night

No, there is a reason. Some mystical guy in the sky says so, and so does his autobiography.
 
No, there is a reason. Some mystical guy in the sky says so, and so does his autobiography.

Now you are just being insulting.

To bad you had to end on a sour note.
 
Marriage is not man made. Why do you think we don't want the definition changed???
Ummmm, because you said so???

Again if you think that cool, I don't.
Opinion card #3

And unlike me, it would be a lie. That makes a huge difference. I actually agree.
Wait so were you agreeing with me or with him?

We were having a serious discussion until you decided because we follow God, we can only go around in circles.

If you would make even a tiny bit of effort, you could at least see our side of it.

I do see your side. God says something and you must blindly follow.

I understand completely.
 
well .. the truth is here available for all to see . . . just rejected

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark.
Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking,
buying and selling, planting and building.
But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulphur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed.



Because of this (rejection), God gave them over to shameful lusts.
Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another.
Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Furthermore, since they did not think it worth while to retain the knowledge of God,
he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity.
They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.
They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death,
they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practise them.
 
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Ummmm, because you said so???

Of course not. Because the Bible says so.

Besides that, even the earliest civilizations of any renown had some kind of marriage. The vast majority being polygamy and the rest between one man and one woman. <----Somehow missed the polygamy angle.

Opinion # 3

And yours is opinion as well as science and history have no idea when marriage actually came into being and if anyone invented it, or it just happened like animals paring up for life.

Wait so were you agreeing with me or with him?

Both of you. Yes he is correct from a biblical standpoint. And you that it tends to be circular when it is just based on biblical or any religious doctrine, history etc.

I do see your side. God says something and you must blindly follow.

Obviously you don't. I don't do anything blindly. I follow God's law because I see it as right. I follow it because I belive in him without question, anymore.

This is not something that happened overnight. It was years, a life time in fact.

I understand completely.

I don't think so, but I could be wrong. :shrug:
 
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Blackdog: "I follow God's law because I see it as right.
I follow it because I belive in him without question, anymore."


. . . right-on brother . . . . right-on . . . continual conformation

time for bed . . . thank you for the discussion .. peace and safety to all =:0]
 
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OK who are the mooks who are voting to keep the polls even?

Is it that important to you? :roll:
 
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Of course not. Because the Bible says so.

Besides that, even the earliest civilizations of any renown had some kind of marriage. The vast majority was between one man and one woman.
This is why I said you are playing the God card, because you throw in the Bible and say that since something in there says something is this way or that way, it must be so.

Yawn.

I don't do anything blindly. I follow God's law because I see it as right. I follow it because I belive in him without question, anymore.
Contradiction #1

This is not something that happened overnight. It was years, a life time in fact.
Ah, so ... prolonged indoctrination? :rofl

OK who are the mooks who are voting to keep the polls even?

Is it that important to you? :roll:

Something we finally agree on. I agree its wrong.
 
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