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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Assuming for a moment that is true. How is yours not?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Assuming for a moment that is true. How is yours not?
    Because mine is based on reality, and yours is based on your misinterpretation of a book written thousands of years ago.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    How is it a misrepresentation?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Cultural Universal". Everywhere on Earth, in any place, at any point in time, marriage is about the raising and socializing of children. Modern gay marriage is not, thus it is counter-culture.

    There's no reason to care about your relationship if you aren't raising children whether you're gay or straight, living together or not. Go live with whomever you want. Have your life and I hope you live a good one. The legal buffs are for couples raising children, because raising children is the State's interest in promoting a relationship. Marriage is not for heteros looking for a tax brake, it's not for gays looking for social validation of their identity.

    Gays don't make their movement about children. They make it about rights, etc, so there is no reason to care about gay marriage.
    It's more that promoting a relationship or social validation and at times it is about raising children. Without being married or something like it gay couples can't visit each other in the hospital, they can't collect survivor benefits from social security or a pension, and they can lose custody of a child if one parent dies.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Just once, I'd like someone against gay marriage to explain to me how it hurts them in the slightest or how it is any of their business.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Just once, I'd like someone against gay marriage to explain to me how it hurts them in the slightest or how it is any of their business.
    It does not. Anyone who would tell you it does is an idiot.

    What most are saying (including myself) is that it is for whatever reason the gay life style is wrong. Since it is seen as wrong by a great many people, they will not support or condone it's legitimization via marriage. I mean that is what it boils down to in reality.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    It's more that promoting a relationship or social validation and at times it is about raising children. Without being married or something like it gay couples can't visit each other in the hospital, they can't collect survivor benefits from social security or a pension, and they can lose custody of a child if one parent dies.
    They could do all that with legally recognized civil unions. Most of us against gay marriage support civil unions to give gays etc equal protection under the law. This is not on the table because a number of Gay's want marriage or nothing. I think it is because they want it legitimized, and I can't support that, period.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes. The more important question, then, would be why some people believe such stupid things.



    Yes. That is the government's function. I will note that you do not complain when the government enforces your morality.
    My morality does not involve infringing on the right of others as long as what they are doing doesn't hurt anyone.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I define winning differently. It means proving one's point/position with logic/evidence. In that case, I will surely win, and he will surely lose. As far as changing his mind, I'm certain that will not occur.
    I usually define winning in that way as well, because for me personally it holds the most significance.

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    Very true.

    I also define winning as having a moderator get so frustrated that he abuses his privileges. In this case I predict it will by unequal application of the trolling rule, as this is the most subjective.
    What if a mod is not involved in the discussion?

    How do you define winning then?

    And, really, winning by forcing frustration is not a win IMO, as someone can use completely illogical arguments to frustrate someone just as easily (or perhaps even more easily).

    For example, if I were to argue that all clouds are formed from a combination of hot air and methane resulting from bull****, as we all know there is plenty of that in this country and around the world.

    Now, scientific examinations and evidence would easily show that I was incorrect, but I could easily BS some completely false “evidence” and say it was correct. If I held to my position, someone would get frustrated and ignore me.

    Would I then be considered to have won the argument?
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    My morality does not involve infringing on the right of others as long as what they are doing doesn't hurt anyone.
    Mine does. That doesn't make yours superior.

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