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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is both the ciricular resoning and appeal to popularity logical fallacy. The Bible is not evidence that your morals are fact, you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible is fact, and the Bibile's popularity is meaningless in proving facts.

    You keep trying and you keep failing. Where are those links to research that prove your position?
    Yeah, I'm out of here. Trying to argue with a True Believer is a waste of time, because evidence and logic mean nothing to them.

    And let's face it, religion is all about NOT asking these kinds of questions -- the religious leaders don't want you to think for yourselves, because then you won't necessarily believe that they have the "answers."

    Adam was punished from eating from the "Tree of Knowledge." Bible followers are told that they are like sheep and Jesus is their shepherd. Individuality and free thought are discouraged and punished.

    You're not going to get far debating with someone who thinks that questioning authority is a bad thing.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    I'm sorry that you misunderstood the fallacy.
    I'm sorry you walked right into your own fallacy. Actually, I'm not. It's rather amusing.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Man View Post
    Queers can live together happily without lying to children. Try sticking to the argument.
    What are the "queers" lying about?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What are the "queers" lying about?
    I was curious about that, as well.
    Hopefully, he'll elaborate.
    It ought to be just super-entertaining.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What are the "queers" lying about?
    Shhh... they're not. Southern Man hasn't proven anything he says, so now all he is going to do is repeat those fallacies... and we'll have to demonstrate how they have no basis in reality, again.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Aw, Cap'n!
    I wanna know what he thinks the happily cohabitating "queers" are "lying to children" about.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Aw, Cap'n!
    I wanna know what he thinks the happily cohabitating "queers" are "lying to children" about.
    I'm sure he'll post it. He has no new material, and has been pwned on his old stuff. It'll give him an opportunity to try his failed positions on a new audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    With the language that you used, here, you would be correct. However, I would rephrase. Homosexuality in and of itself is just a different sexual orientation from heterosexuality, not an abnormality, and factually, there is nothing else beyond this statement. Gay marriage differs in no measurable way from straight marriage, and factually, there is nothing beyond this statement.
    Isn't "normal" and thus "abnormal", as understood by modern psychiatry, measured in context with societal norms? While it is factually true that it is naturally occurring and mostly inalterable, the matter of whether or not it is normal is culturally subjective.

    As for your second point, I'm inclined to agree. There's no factual evidence that gay marriage differs from straight marriage, outside the issue of sexual orientation itself, which is why I believe it should be encouraged similarly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I agree but since i havent tried to push my morals has fact the point is moot.
    No, you're only trying to push your morals as law, which is I think a more serious matter than merely presenting them as fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I have only argued its discrimination which it is and my morals have nothing to do with that. In america i clealry understand my morals are not yours nor would i force mine on you and my morals would never be the basis or argument and never were.
    Your opposition to discrimination is a moral value. Your belief that moral values shouldn't be forced on others is not only itself a moral value, it is an inherently self-contradictory moral value. By crafting law in accordance with your moral values, you are by definition forcing others to abide by them.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Isn't "normal" and thus "abnormal", as understood by modern psychiatry, measured in context with societal norms?

    From a psychiatric perspective, yes; but the mainstream psychiatric community does not consider homosexuality to be "abnormal", although it was once classified as such.
    It's a variation of normalcy.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    From a psychiatric perspective, yes; but the mainstream psychiatric community does not consider homosexuality to be "abnormal", although it was once classified as such.
    It's a variation of normalcy.
    With all due respect for their expertise, the psychiatric community is a small minority of society and their views, while highly influential, do not represent the whole of society. This is demonstrated by the fact that there is still considerable controversy over homosexuality more than thirty years after the psychiatric community declared it "normal".
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