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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    what do I need new LMAO
    theres nothing in this thread to debate it has all been laid to rest logically, only clinging to emptiness is left with SELF reasons, some good I might add but NOTHING "worthy" of stopping gay marriage, being oppressive and discriminating.. If you need proof of that just reread the thread LMAO No biggie though this is very much the norm and what happens every time I ask this question. heres only denial on one side, I cant make to many sound rational objections to oppression and discrimination based on madness, selfishness, arrogance and hypocrisy because quite frankly those ears, eyes, and brains are deaf blind and dumb to reason and logic

    but like I said by all means if somebody thinks they have something please continue to post new reasons
    Mhm, yes you already said that...anything new to contribute?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Mhm, yes you already said that...anything new to contribute?
    Contribute? uhm its my thread LOL but to answer your question nope, just wanted to thank everybody that participated since most kept emotion out of it and kept it civil, i wanted to update the findings still being at ZERO and also wanted to thank the MOD and update the people on the results of the REAL poll.

    It was just an FYI, general thank you and courtesy post. Is that ok? lmao
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Contribute? uhm its my thread LOL but to answer your question nope, just wanted to thank everybody that participated since most kept emotion out of it and kept it civil, i wanted to update the findings still being at ZERO and also wanted to thank the MOD and update the people on the results of the REAL poll.

    It was just an FYI, general thank you and courtesy post. Is that ok? lmao
    Oh ok, as long as we're clear that you have nothing new to add either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh ok, as long as we're clear that you have nothing new to add either
    no I have nothing NEW to add as my OP still stands strong
    adding new points to my OP would just be gloating and rubbing it in to the few that actually think its right to discriminate, thats not my style
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    no I have nothing NEW to add as my OP still stands strong
    adding new points to my OP would just be gloating and rubbing it in to the few that actually think its right to discriminate, thats not my style
    Yup, sounds like it's the same circle-jerk it was 5 years ago when I was new to it. I would advise you not to hold your breath for anything new to come along.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yup, sounds like it's the same circle-jerk it was 5 years ago when I was new to it. I would advise you not to hold your breath for anything new to come along.
    Well I wasnt holding my breath but I was hmmm, not hoping, thats too strong and sounds like I want there to be a reason. Lets say curious if there were any sound reasoning out there because its shocking but yet fascinating at the same time that people think its actually their business.

    But you're right there probably wont be anything new, only the law changing, my guess is 20 years a the longest but wont be surprised if its half that
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yup, sounds like it's the same circle-jerk it was 5 years ago when I was new to it. I would advise you not to hold your breath for anything new to come along.
    20 years ago from five years ago the general populace would have never thought gays would have even one state with gay state recognized marriage. Alot has changed in those 25 years.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    20 years ago from five years ago the general populace would have never thought gays would have even one state with gay state recognized marriage. Alot has changed in those 25 years.
    Yeah but I think folks on this forum would like to see fresh, original content every time the log in, not every 25 years.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah but I think folks on this forum would like to see fresh, original content every time the log in, not every 25 years.
    Hard to do Jerry. This issue has been beaten to a pulp at DP. I only participate, nowadays, when a newbie comes to town, thinking he's got some new, awesome position... just to find out that we've been discussing that "new, awesome position" for 3 years.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    20 years ago from five years ago the general populace would have never thought gays would have even one state with gay state recognized marriage. Alot has changed in those 25 years.
    It's thanks in large part to research. The research has shown conclusively some points that social conservatives have had to glaze over or misinform the public about in order to try to maintain the status quo. Some of these points are...

    1. That gays can lead happy, functional lives.
    2. That homosexual behavior is and always has been very prevalent in nature.
    3. That there is biological factors that likely contribute to a homosexual orientation.
    4. That future sexual orientation is largely predictable even in early childhood.
    5. That societal stigma towards gays does have lasting detrimental effects.
    6. That attempting to change sexual orientation is only minimally successful if at all.
    7. That there are 8 to 10 million children of gays and lesbians in the country who could benefit from gay marriage, in addition to tens of thousands of foster care kids.
    8. That the latest 25 years of research has shown that same sex couples can raise children who are no better or worse adjusted than those raised by opposite sex couples.
    9. That heterosexual marriages have actually increased in countries which legalize gay marriages. (Exception in countries which have civil unions for both straights and gays.)
    10. That when states legalize gay marriage, it does not change heterosexual marriages in any real conceivable way and in fact, Massachusetts which first legalized gay marriage holds the lowest rate of divorce.

    So basically that leaves social conservatives to argue "ideals" over the facts, and their ideals in this area are actually costing society in the long run and proving detrimental, and it is unlikely that the younger generation is going to take it for much longer. Whatever ideal a person has for marriage is irrelevant when the ideal of civil marriage is that it exists to improve the welfare of society by providing stable relationships and good homes for children. Social conservatives can't win a civil argument with religious motivations forever and propaganda and fear mongering on this issue may stall it, but its going to rob them of credibility down the road on much more important issues that actually impact society.
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