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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One of the cool things about being a mod is that, even if the poll is private, I can tell who voted for what. Currently, there are 59 non-legitimate "NO" votes and 122 non-legitimate "YES" votes. That means the accurate vote is...

    NO....49
    Yes... 8
    So 57 legitimate (as in, from registered members) votes, let's round to 60, so ~5/6 of the votes are NO.

    That's...somewhere around 80-85% NO to the poll question.

    According to my rough math...

    About what the OP suggested it would be.

    But that means ~20% think it would be right to actually stop gay marriages...

    Which action would, IMO, be unconstitutional.

    Unless they were speaking of the legal side of things, where the debate becomes quite ambiguous.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Originally Posted by Blackdog
    I agree with the experts and a proven history that a male, female home is the optimal parental arrangement for child rearing. This has nothing at all to do with gays adopting or raising a family.
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    Except you are incorrect. EXPERTS have demonstrated that children reared by single sex parents do as well as those in traditional families. But I'll tell you what. You keep making this claim. Please provide links to the "experts" who have made the claim that you are making.

    I wait with anticipation for your links.
    And I await his response to my link showing the respected associations that have conducted studies showing that his opinion is incorrect...
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    This site is not a reflection of America, niether are the polls.

    If you look at any polls between 2008 and 2010 and at things like Prop 8 in Ca, and the amendments passed in Florida. The country is saying no to gay marriage on a wide scale.

    Scientific Polls...

    July 17, 2008 by Quinnipiac University, with 55 percent opposed, and 36 percent in favor.

    Dec 15, 2009 ABC News (58%) of Americans remained opposed to same-sex marriages, while the minority (36%) support them.

    CBS Poll: Changing Views On Gay Marriage - CBS News

    These polls on message boards are as reflective of Americans as Ron Paul's chances of wining a national election were reflected by the Internet.

    Most of the polls are plus or minus 3 to 4 percent.

    Civil unions by the way have much broader support. If the moonbats screaming all or nothing would take it slow and just play the political game correctly (not reffering to anyone here). I am certain by 2015, gay marriage mite have been a reality.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And I await his response to my link showing the respected associations that have conducted studies showing that his opinion is incorrect...
    I told you I am done with you. I have nothing to prove to you and don't care.

    You can rant and scream and it makes no difference. The majority of the nation is opposed to redefining marriage, period.

    I have said everything I need to say. You want more, read the thread.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I told you I am done with you. I have nothing to prove to you and don't care.

    You can rant and scream and it makes no difference. The majority of the nation is opposed to redefining marriage, period.

    I have said everything I need to say. You want more, read the thread.
    I don't think that you actually said that you were done with me, in fact, I was the one that implied that about you. Nice turnaround. In this case, I simply asked a question to you... you can falsely typecast me as ranting and screaming if you like, though that seems like a truly ridiclous conclusion, and not look a the overwhelming evidence that shows that gays can and do raise children just as well as heterosexual parents if you like. I am cool with that.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't think that you actually said that you were done with me, in fact, I was the one that implied that about you. Nice turnaround. In this case, I simply asked a question to you... you can falsely typecast me as ranting and screaming if you like, though that seems like a truly ridiclous conclusion, and not look a the overwhelming evidence that shows that gays can and do raise children just as well as heterosexual parents if you like. I am cool with that.
    I guess you somehow missed this?

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    Have a good evening.
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    I don't have to protray you as anything.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Wow. The poll's at 54% to 45%, in favor of yes, that it is right to stop gay marriage. Is this forum shifting to the right?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Wow. The poll's at 54% to 45%, in favor of yes, that it is right to stop gay marriage. Is this forum shifting to the right?
    No. Some jerk is voting multiple times to screw the pole.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    How is this a slam dunk? I'm not even sure why this is important. Wouldn't it be a good thing if gay couples were more reliant on their extended families than hetero families given that children raised within extended families almost always have a better outcome than those who aren't? If anything, it would be a benefit to a child to be raised by a same sex couple for this reason.
    What would be a slam dunk is the validation of Blackdog's personal religious opinion on "marriage". Please keep in mind that Blackdog supports Domestic Partnership and full equality for gays under the law. He is not arguing that gays should be denied any civil right as any hetero. His opinion regards "marriage" and a study illuminating the roll extended families play would, in my opinion, serve to validate his opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Furthermore, assuming that it was some sort of deficit to same sex couples, why does it take any sort of precedence?
    Such evidence would substantiate Blackdog's opinion that 1man/1woman is "optimum". If such evidence existed it would show that nuclear families are the most efficient even while they are not the only viable possibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    And isn't the actual parenting ability of a same sex couple more important?
    In regards to deciding policy, sure, but not as it applies to personal religious opinions.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Are you going to start arguing that abusive heterosexual parents are superior to non abusive homosexual parents simply because the children in the former have more ready access to learning gender roles?
    If you look back at my last few posts you will note the careful use of the term "similarly situated". That term has deep legal significance to this discussion and is why I used it among other key terms. It's almost as though this is not the first time I've debated this issue

    An abusive hetero couple is not "similarly situated" as a non abusive gay couple, so your question is invalid.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    All this would likely mean is that having an extended family would be taken into account when it comes to adoption or foster care. And guess what, it already is for both heterosexual and homosexual couples.
    As it should be.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But what we are talking about is the legal marriage, which is the law that allows people to own a piece of paper that the government gives to them that says "we are family because we are married" and the government legally recognizes that couple as "married". Technically, any gay couple who wants to right now could exchange vows, agree to take legal and financial responsibility for each other through several legal documents, and call themselves "married". It just wouldn't be a legal marriage. They wouldn't legally be "family". And that is the issue.

    And a foot is always going to be foot, and be for standing on because it is a physical object that we can see and touch and know exactly what it is for, even if we change what we call a foot to calling it a skeft. Marriage is a concept, not a physical thing. Marriage can have many different uses and forms because it is not something that is tangent.
    What we are talking about is the total sociological institution of marriage in which the law is a sub-division of.

    This conversation can apply to individuals who were never, are not and never will be subject to US laws in the slightest, because it regards human social institutions present throughout the species.

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