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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

  • No

    Votes: 99 79.2%

  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 26 20.8%
  • Total voters
    125
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Chuz Life said:
Of course I (and everyone else) has the right to vote their conscience. And there's no requirment (obviously) that voters be either informed or enightend.

As for the right tell others who they can or can't 'marry?'

Sure.

But that doesn't mean they will (or have to) listen.
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thanks for being honest, then you are an oppressor and a hypocritical american IMO

Wasnt just asking if you think you have the right to vote but that was a nice way to start your spin machine again. Nor was I asking you if you ONLY have the right to just "tell" people who they can marry my question was more than that and you know it but when your scared to answer its natural to spin things, play coy and and argue semantics.
 
Blackdog said:
I most certainly do have a right, that is what being part of our society is all about. I want the laws etc to develop around what I morally and logically want. I don't care what you want, even if I do care about what you have to say and your input. After all is said and done we vote or go to court etc based on our own morality.

That is how this country and our society works, period.



That is silly. It was just an example. I clearly stated my position in my original post you responded to...
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nope sorry you are arguing you RELIGION and if gay marriage is legal your religion isnt effected one single bit. Instead you are being selfish and think some how you are more important than others without your religious beliefs and want to FORCE yours on others. Nope not american
 
Jerry said:
Yes.



The Constitution told me so.
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WOW, you actually think you have the right to tell two consenting adults who they can marry, then you are totally selfish and and hypocritically american, and NO sorry the constitution doesnt give you that right per say LMAO

at least you arent afraid to admit how pompous and selfish and arrogant you are. My hats off to you sir. Its amazing to me anybody thinks they have that right, my guess is its only because its not YOUR equal rights being denied
 
Jerry said:
Both, and more also. The law should not endorse relationships which are of no value to anyone other than the couple, precisely because there's reason to support them.



Gay relationships in Rome were not of equals. Gay relationships of Rome were of master and student, of owner and slave, which is why it was illegal for a Roman citizen to be on the receiving end of a sexual encounter.

Even in feudal Japan where gay relationships were the accepted mainstream norm, such relationships were not assumed to be the same or equal to the husband and wife union.
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wrong wasnt always the case until a religion storm happened
denying gay marriage is denying equal rights plain and simple, no spin you TRY and put on it will matter LMAO
 
Centrist77 said:
WOW, you actually think you have the right to tell two consenting adults who they can marry, then you are totally selfish and and hypocritically american, and NO sorry the constitution doesnt give you that right per say LMAO

at least you arent afraid to admit how pompous and selfish and arrogant you are. My hats off to you sir. Its amazing to me anybody thinks they have that right, my guess is its only because its not YOUR equal rights being denied
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I actually can't marry, so wtf are you talking about?

If I fell in love with someone and began a romantic relationship, first I would face a court-martial, and second I no longer possess the basic human right to marry as I no longer meet the criteria.
 
Centrist77 said:
wrong wasnt always the case until a religion storm happened
denying gay marriage is denying equal rights plain and simple, no spin you TRY and put on it will matter LMAO
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Oh, you think I have some problem with denying equality.

We discriminate against all sorts of groups all the time, legally and rightly. Discrimination isn't the bad word you think it is.
 
sazerac said:
People have a right to defend their religion. And that includes the religious ceremony known as marriage.

It's none of their business, though, if gay people want to form some sort of legal agreement. As long as they don't call it marriage..
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100% WRONG it is NOT a "religious" cermony unless you want it to be so that meaningless

but lets just turn your argument against you what if my religion allows it? wheres MY right to defend MY religion, I guess only YOURS matters right? lol

sorry if it was legal your religion wouldnt need defended because it doesnt have to change one bit, you religion is ALREADY protected, others are not and it seem you dont care about them and you want to control them

only thing you got right is, it is NONE of their buisness

it is none of ANYBODYS buisness who two consenting adults marry, it has nothing at all to do with you or religion unless you are the one getting married
 
Jerry said:
I actually can't marry, so wtf are you talking about?

If I fell in love with someone and began a romantic relationship, first I would face a court-martial, and second I no longer possess the basic human right to marry as I no longer meet the criteria.
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translation: I have no answer now and feel bad for my answer so im going to act like I dont know whats going on and play dumb

thanks :)
 
Jerry said:
Oh, you think I have some problem with denying equality.

We discriminate against all sorts of groups all the time, legally and rightly. Discrimination isn't the bad word you think it is.
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if you say so but yes it is when it involves equal rights and theres no logical sound reason to do so which is waht im tlking about. Please stay on target and not drift to other meaningless things. No one argued that no groups are denied certian things especially rightly which this case is not beause theres no support for it.

Btw on a side note for everybody reading we are at 14 pages now and the OP still stands

still not ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage
 
Centrist77 said:
100% WRONG it is NOT a "religious" ceremony unless you want it to be so that meaningless

but lets just turn your argument against you what if my religion allows it? where’s MY right to defend MY religion, I guess only YOURS matters right? lol

sorry if it was legal your religion wouldn’t need defended because it doesn’t have to change one bit, you religion is ALREADY protected, others are not and it seem you don’t care about them and you want to control them

only thing you got right is, it is NONE of their business

it is none of ANYBODYS business who two consenting adults marry, it has nothing at all to do with you or religion unless you are the one getting married
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What if there was, say, a hypothetical individual who believed in X religion. The teachings of X religion tell this individual that two males or two females marrying each other is not acceptable in the eyes of (insert entity), and that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman under the eyes of (insert entity).

Thus, defending said religion would require non-acceptance of any gay marriage.

Gotta go, back tomorrow.
 
The Mark said:
What if there was, say, a hypothetical individual who believed in X religion. The teachings of X religion tell this individual that two males or two females marrying each other is not acceptable in the eyes of (insert entity), and that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman under the eyes of (insert entity).

Thus, defending said religion would require non-acceptance of any gay marriage.

Gotta go, back tomorrow.
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actually you are wrong again because you could still not "accept" it and THINK its wrong and BELIEVE its wrong and TEACH its wrong but once you stop it you are denying people rights that you already have and thats what makes you a hypocrite

what if said religion said no kids before marriage? are you going to Defend that and have a non-acceptance of it? guess those kids should be taken away

what if said religion said no sex before marriage, arrest people who do?
what if religion was against masturbation? arrest them too?

sorry not good enough by any stretch of the imagination because once we only do things by YOUR or ONE religion we violate the right of FREEDOM OF RELIGION

next
 
Centrist77 said:
nope sorry you are arguing you RELIGION and if gay marriage is legal your religion isnt effected one single bit.
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That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.

I disagree and have already stated why.

Centrist77 said:
Instead you are being selfish and think some how you are more important than others without your religious beliefs and want to FORCE yours on others. Nope not american
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Yes I want my moral values to be part of the society I live in. That is absolutely American.

I am not forcing anything on anyone. I will not however support something I think is wrong. This is also very American. It is what freedom to disagree is all about.

I served 12 years in this "American" military to have the right to say and think what I want. I put my life on the line to defend your right to do so as well.

That is American.
 
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Blackdog said:
1.) That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.


2.)
Yes I want my moral values to be part of the society I live in. That is absolutely American.

3.)I am not forcing anything on anyone. I will not however support something I think is wrong. This is also very American. It is what freedom to disagree is all about.

4.)I served 12 years in this "American" military to have the right to say and think what I want. I put my life on the line to defend your right to do so as well.

That is American.
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1 no its not a opinion its a FACT, if gay marriage is legal, your religion is still allowed to believe and practice what it wants. FACT

2.) sorry again YOUR morals based on YOUR religion, no good, clashes with to many other FREEDOMS of RELIGION. theres religions out there for no sex until married, no eating of certain foods, hell the bibles basically says kids who back talk and scorn their parents should be tarred fathered and or killed people dont practice that

3.) not asking for your "support" asking you if you would stop it and if the answer is yes YOU ARE forcing it, if the answer is no all is well. Dont care what you believe or think that is your right i agree you just have no buisness stopping it, thats the part i said isnt american but nice try

4.) meaningless and pointless filler that I said nothing about, please stay on topic, i NEVER said you cant say your opinion my question in the title thread is if its is right to "stop"it

side not thank you for protecting me, sincerely, hats off to you

put you still shouldnt stop two consenting adults from getting married if that is your stance because its absolutley none of your buisness
 
Blackdog said:
That's your opinion and you are welcome to it.

I disagree and have already stated why.



Yes I want my moral values to be part of the society I live in. That is absolutely American.

I am not forcing anything on anyone. I will not however support something I think is wrong. This is also very American. It is what freedom to disagree is all about.

I served 12 years in this "American" military to have the right to say and think what I want. I put my life on the line to defend your right to do so as well.

That is American.
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It must kill him to know that no matter what names he calls you on this thread, you can still vote against gay-marriage every time :mrgreen:
 
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If gays get to marry, I don't care...if they still can't...I don't care...but if some liberal activist annoys me I'll vote against it just out of spite.
 
Jerry said:
It must kill him to know that no matter what names he calls you on this thread, you can still vote against gay-marriage every time :mrgreen:
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doesnt kill me at all LMAO
im curious about the mental logic of people that think its their decision, HUGE difference

i myself would NEVER be against the RIGHT (legally) to vote for anything, im asking a personal question if people think its right to decide who two consenting adults can marry

also explain to me how if person A decides who consenting adult B and consenting adult C can marry isnt selfish?

if you give me a logical answer hats off to you
 
Jerry said:
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If gays get to marry, I don't care...if they still can't...I don't care...but if some liberal activist annoys me I'll vote against it just out of spite.
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LMAO
get it worked on

you say you dont care but you keep talking in this thread and you said earler you would vote no in a vote did you not? :)

also why would it be a liberal activist?
 
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Centrist77 said:
1 no its not a opinion its a FACT, if gay marriage is legal, your religion is still allowed to believe and practice what it wants. FACT
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No, it's not a fact. Unless you can tell the future that is?

Centrist77 said:
2.) sorry again YOUR morals based on YOUR religion, no good, clashes with to many other FREEDOMS of RELIGION. theres religions out there for no sex until married, no eating of certain foods, hell the bibles basically says kids who back talk and scorn their parents should be tarred fathered and or killed people dont practice that
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You don't know much about Christianity or the Bible do you?

We all have morals we get from someplace be it our parents, others around us or a holy book. It is irrelevant. My religion or where my morals come from have nothing to do with this debate.

I will follow my moral compass and you follow yours. It has to do with that whole pursuit of happiness thing.

Centrist77 said:
3.) not asking for your "support" asking you if you would stop it and if the answer is yes YOU ARE forcing it, if the answer is no all is well. Dont care what you believe or think that is your right i agree you just have no buisness stopping it, thats the part i said isnt american but nice try
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I have every right to stop it. If a vote was held tomorrow for anything other than a civil union, yes I would vote against it. This is the United States, as I would be free to vote against it, you would be free to vote for it.

The freedom to make my own decision whether you approve or not is a wonderful thing.

Centrist77 said:
4.) meaningless and pointless filler that I said nothing about, please stay on topic, i NEVER said you cant say your opinion my question in the title thread is if its is right to "stop"it
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You said "No not American" I have shown yes it is American. It is so American I put my life on the line to defend it.

Centrist77 said:
side not thank you for protecting me, sincerely, hats off to you
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Not quite certain what you ment here?

Centrist77 said:
put you still shouldnt stop two consenting adults from getting married if that is your stance because its absolutley none of your buisness
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Yes I should. I have already explained why.

I would support civil unions with all the same benefits. I will not support changing in any way what is defined as a marriage, period.
 
Centrist77 said:
doesnt kill me at all LMAO
im curious about the mental logic of people that think its their decision, HUGE difference

i myself would NEVER be against the RIGHT (legally) to vote for anything, im asking a personal question if people think its right to decide who two consenting adults can marry

also explain to me how if person A decides who consenting adult B and consenting adult C can marry isnt selfish?

if you give me a logical answer hats off to you
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The consenting adults might belong to a high-risk demographic. I wouldn't support their marrying until stricter requirements were in place to obtain a marriage license., requirements such as pre-marital counseling and financial planning. Such requirements would have to apply to everyone, however, not only high-risk demographics.

From what data I've seen in the past, gay men are significantly less stable than any other combination. However, we can't single out gay men. The rule has to apply to everyone. So, put greater demands in the same bill that establishes gay marriage and you have my vote. No greater demands, then I'd vote to kill the whole thing.

I truly don't give a **** about "rights" or "equality". I care about a stable and strong society.
 
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Blackdog said:
1.) No, it's not a fact. Unless you can tell the future that is?



2.)You don't know much about Christianity or the Bible do you?

We all have morals we get from someplace be it our parents, others around us or a holy book. It is irrelevant. My religion or where my morals come from have nothing to do with this debate.

3.) I will follow my moral compass and you follow yours. It has to do with that whole pursuit of happiness thing.



4.) I have every right to stop it. If a vote was held tomorrow for anything other than a civil union, yes I would vote against it. This is the United States, as I would be free to vote against it, you would be free to vote for it.

The freedom to make my own decision whether you approve or not is a wonderful thing.



5.)You said "No not American" I have shown yes it is American. It is so American I put my life on the line to defend it.



Not quite certain what you ment here?



Yes I should. I have already explained why.

I would support civil unions with all the same benefits. I will not support changing in any way what is defined as a marriage, period.
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1.) yes it is a fact, your religion would still be allowed to believe and practice what it wants unless we get rid of freedom of religion LMAO, its a fact

2.) yes actually i do since its how i was rasied but that MEANINGLESS in this debate. Only stated that religions clash in beliefs so Im not going to hold YOURS higher than others

3 I agree 100% but if YOU stop it then YOU are stopping people from following their moral compass and their pursuit of happiness thats where the hypocrite thing comes in. My way everyone gets to do what they want, your way people have to do what YOU say

4.) im not arguing against you right to just vote (legally) im asking if you would thnk its right not vote against it personally. You think you have the right to oppress others and THEIR religion based on your OWN religion

5.) I thanked you for that but what it seems you fought for is the right to tell others what to do based on your own religious beliefs denying them equal rights. Yep you are all american just as long has its YOUR america and not our america lol
 
Centrist77 said:
3 I agree 100% but if YOU stop it then YOU are stopping people from following their moral compass and their pursuit of happiness thats where the hypocrite thing comes in.
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We don't have a problem with people trying to stop us from having our way.

That's what voting is all about.
 
Jerry said:
The consenting adults might belong to a high-risk demographic. I wouldn't support their marrying until stricter requirements were in place to obtain a marriage license., requirements such as pre-marital counseling and financial planning. Such requirements would have to apply to everyone, however, not only high-risk demographics.

From what data I've seen in the past, gay men are significantly less stable than any other combination. However, we can't single out gay men. The rule has to apply to everyone. So, put greater demands in the same bill that establishes gay marriage and you have my vote. No greater demands, then I'd vote to kill the whole thing.

I truly don't give a **** about "rights" or "equality". I care about a stable and strong society.
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did you ever consider that the gay man may be more unstable because he is judged or has to hide OR they cant get married LMAO

not saying that is the only answer but im sure the secret lifestyle many have to live or feel they have to live and the fact they cant get married and are denied a stable family life plays a role thats just common sense

also its OBVIOUS you dont care about eual right but thanks for reinforcing it :)
 
Jerry said:
We don't have a problem with people trying to stop us from having our way.

That's what voting is all about.
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if "any" way is unfair and unequal many americas have a problem ith that where have you been

voting IS about what you believe, but in this case its marriage and consenting adults, thats just oppression
 
Centrist77 said:
did you ever consider that the gay man may be more unstable because he is judged or has to hide OR they cant get married LMAO
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Well if that's so, then why are unmarried lesbian couples far more stable than legally married heteros?

Obviously the ability to marry is not a factor.
 
Centrist77 said:
if "any" way is unfair and unequal many americas have a problem ith that where have you been

voting IS about what you believe, but in this case its marriage and consenting adults, thats just oppression
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Well again I don't give a **** about what's 'fair' or 'equal'. I care about a strong and stable society.
 
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