"Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run
Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.
I'm not even sure why this is important. Wouldn't it be a good thing if gay couples were more reliant on their extended families than hetero families given that children raised within extended families almost always have a better outcome than those who aren't? If anything, it would be a benefit to a child to be raised by a same sex couple for this reason.
The reason saying that "it has always been done this way, everywhere" is wrong, is because although almost, if not all, societies have only had heterosexual marriage up til the past decade or so, most societies have not limited heterosexual marriage to just be for raising children. Some cultures and/or religions might still make such limitations, but they would be very few.
Also, although there is some biologically instinctive attraction involved with picking a spouse, it is not the rule that a person will fall in love and wish to marry the person that they feel that they would make the best children with as a couple. It is also not the rule that a couple always chooses the most beneficial time for the child, to start having kids. Most procreation happens, whether planned or accidental, because the parents were thinking of themselves, not the actual welfare of their offspring (and I don't want to be taken wrong here, because I don't think that this makes most people bad parents, the most ideal time may never come if you just wait for it, so sometimes you just have to make the most of what you have).
Many people do not get married to someone because they are ready to have children with that person. Many marriages happen with little thought about when during that marriage children will be brought in, if ever. And many people who can't produce children with each other, have happy and fulfilling marriages for themselves.
Legally recognized marriage in the US is what we are discussing, and unless the US government declares why they only recognize heterosexual marriages with a sound reasoning behind their explanation and marriage laws that reflect that reasoning specifically, then the US government is discriminating against homosexual couples by not federally recognizing homosexual marriage and enforcing the Full Faith and Credit Clause.
"A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.
Warning: the following is speculation and can not be accurately interpreted to be a claim!!
We find more variation within a sex than between them, so a same-sex couple could fill the rolls themselves. Is this actually occurring? Does a feminine lesbian and a 'butch' lesbian couple rely on extended family less than 2 feminine lesbians?
Alternatively, what about a feminine hetero woman who marries a so-called metro-sexual man. Both parents being generally soft, do they rely on extended family more so than the above mentioned feminine/butch lesbian couple?
Jerry, you are being civil....and it is scaring me.
You believe that I'm making an argument from traditional authority. If that's how I'm coming across then I need to find another way to word my argument.
I'll have to give it some thought, but from where I'm standing I'm making an empirical observation based on solid science. Every variation of marriage always serves the same purpose just like every variation of a funeral always serve the same purpose. This is not because "that's the way we've always don it", it's because this is what this activity is for.
Last edited by Jerry; 05-06-10 at 02:22 PM.
The success of the family unit is absolutely relevant.
I tell you what, Jerry made a good point. As soon as they do a study where the extended family is not a variable, you may be able to say that.
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Blackdog, you just made a concession I don't think you intended to make by your request. You have just admitted that it is more important to a child's welfare that they have extended family involved in their life than it is that they are being raised by an opposite sex couple or same sex couple. Think about it. If the variable that is most important is the degree of extended family involvement, then you just conceded the entire issue of the parenting ability of same sex couples.
That's how I understood previous studies linked to in these discussions. I accept the fact that I'm likely not recalling the data accurately which is why I'm looking for clarification.
If Blackdog's religious opinion has merit, then an appropriate study examining this interaction should shed some light on how it's accurate...assuming such a study has ever been don.
Last edited by Jerry; 05-06-10 at 02:30 PM.