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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's my understanding that the reason same-sex couples can raise perfectly fine children is due to their turning to extended family for the other sex's contributions.

    Studies Capt'n has posted in the past do not account for the extended family variable...at least I haven't seen how those studies do if they have, anyway.
    You are bringing a confounding variable into things that can affect children in families, REGARDLESS of the sex of the parents. The impact of extended families can have a positive impact on the traditional family, also... in fact, I would theorize that family success in the past was directly related to the involvement of the extended family.

    This variable can affect any family and, because of which, is not pertinent.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are bringing a confounding variable into things that can affect children in families, REGARDLESS of the sex of the parents. The impact of extended families can have a positive impact on the traditional family, also... in fact, I would theorize that family success in the past was directly related to the involvement of the extended family.

    This variable can affect any family and, because of which, is not pertinent.
    It's in fact critical if gays rely on extended family more so than hetero couples. How do studies address this?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is smart parenting. I mean if a male child has questions about sexuality, he is not going to go to mom or mom.
    Wrong. He just may. A trusting relationship with one's parent can transcend the sex of that parent. If the child is not close to the parent of the same sex, they will not go to them. The relationship is key.



    The dynamic of the nuclear family is the optimal child raising engine as intended by nature and human history.
    Naturalistic fallacies don't cut it.

    The problem is people think this is some kind of jab at same sex marriage, it's not. It is however the best solution for child rearing.
    Why provide incorrect information if it is not a jab? If it was accurate, I would accept that statement, but because it is not, it leads to questions about motivation.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's in fact critical if gays rely on extended family more so than hetero couples. How do studies address this?
    Again, I would state that an extended family can be critical in a variety of circumstances, regardless of the sexual orientation of the parents. You are presenting a position that extended family is critical to the success of same sex parenting. I do believe that it then falls on you to provide studies that support this.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Again, I would state that an extended family can be critical in a variety of circumstances, regardless of the sexual orientation of the parents. You are presenting a position that extended family is critical to the success of same sex parenting. I do believe that it then falls on you to provide studies that support this.
    Why would I have to provide sources I asked for?

    Doesn't my act of asking for them demonstrate that I don't have them?

    God forbid someone should ask a question on this forum

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's in fact critical if gays rely on extended family more so than hetero couples. How do studies address this?
    Rely? The benefits of extended families extend to both heterosexual families and homosexual families. Haven't you ever heard the saying, "It takes a village to raise a child"? There is no evidence that anyone is anymore reliant on extended families than anyone else, only that having an extended family improves things for just about anyone.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Rely? The benefits of extended families extend to both heterosexual families and homosexual families. Haven't you ever heard the saying, "It takes a village to raise a child"? There is no evidence that anyone is anymore reliant on extended families than anyone else, only that having an extended family improves things for just about anyone.
    Ok, pull your panties out of a bunch and know that I have, several times on this thread alone, to say nothing of the content of my posts on this forum over the last 5 years, expressed my support for gays raising children to have access to "marriage".

    If you value silly anecdotes like "it takes a village to raise a child", then you'll love to learn how heavily I rely on my extended family to raise my boys. I hope you can understand why your post rings shallow and fake when I compare your silly questions to my life experiences.

    This is not a case of "if gays need extended families then AH-HAHA!!! no rights for you LMAO kthxby".

    I want to explore how gays might need the extended family differently than a similarly situated hetero couple.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why would I have to provide sources I asked for?

    Doesn't my act of asking for them demonstrate that I don't have them?

    God forbid someone should ask a question on this forum
    You made a claim, Jerry. My position is that the variable effects all types of child-rearing, and would benefit the child regardless. Now, if you would like to see studies on THAT, I'll do a little research and find them. However, it seems to be that your position is that extended family will more positively affect same-sex couple child rearing than traditional couple child rearing. That is not my position, so I would not have information surrounding it. If you have some, that would be helpful.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I want to explore how gays might need the extended family differently than a similarly situated hetero couple.
    Would not the supposition be that extended family provides the missing gender role? If a boy is raised by two lesbians, would not his grandfathers or uncles provide him the model of "male" than he might otherwise not develop?

    I have no evidence to support this notion, but both hetero and homo families rely on extended family for a variety of reasons and that is the only one that I can think of that may require a homo family to rely moreso on their extended family.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You made a claim, Jerry. My position is that the variable effects all types of child-rearing, and would benefit the child regardless. Now, if you would like to see studies on THAT, I'll do a little research and find them. However, it seems to be that your position is that extended family will more positively affect same-sex couple child rearing than traditional couple child rearing. That is not my position, so I would not have information surrounding it. If you have some, that would be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's my understanding that the reason same-sex couples can raise perfectly fine children is due to their turning to extended family for the other sex's contributions.

    Studies Capt'n has posted in the past do not account for the extended family variable...at least I haven't seen how those studies do if they have, anyway.
    I'm not sure how many more qualifiers you require before speculation is not seen as stating a claim, but I neither care nor am I willing to include more.

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