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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

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    I said a child is better off with a mother and a father.
    As I've read the thread, seems to me that the entire issue, of late, is with this statement. Your statement above is incorrect and has been proven so. I have posted links to about a dozen sites, about 6-12 times during my time at DP, debunking this position. A child is better off with two parents, regardless of sex.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    wow.. a lot of people have voted on this issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    As I've read the thread, seems to me that the entire issue, of late, is with this statement. Your statement above is incorrect and has been proven so.

    I have posted links to about a dozen sites, about 6-12 times during my time at DP, debunking this position. A child is better off with two parents, regardless of sex.
    My statement is absolutely correct. It has been successful in the development of the human family since the beginning. No study done can take this into account or prove that record wrong. There is almost no social science research to support my claim because the science involved was vs single parent homes. Due to the success of the traditional family no research was really needed. Not without an agenda anyway.

    I agree a child is better off with 2 parents. This does not in any way change the fact it is optimal to have both a mother and father.

    My statement stands as true.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    So then opinions.
    Well, I guess I don't know anything productive to say when someone calls an attempt to reduce the divorce rate oppressive. If you think you have a better way to address the divorce rate, great, let's hear it.

    And fascist...well, it's already a state issued license, not a private contract, so unless the state owns a private asset of yours then it's not fascism...so you aren't making any sense at all with that click of the Random Insult Generator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    My statement is absolutely correct. It has been successful in the development of the human family since the beginning. No study done can take this into account or prove that record wrong. There is almost no social science research to support my claim because the science involved was vs single parent homes. Due to the success of the traditional family no research was really needed. Not without an agenda anyway.

    I agree a child is better off with 2 parents. This does not in any way change the fact it is optimal to have both a mother and father.

    My statement stands as true.
    It's my understanding that the reason same-sex couples can raise perfectly fine children is due to their turning to extended family for the other sex's contributions.

    Studies Capt'n has posted in the past do not account for the extended family variable...at least I haven't seen how those studies do if they have, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's my understanding that the reason same-sex couples can raise perfectly fine children is due to their turning to extended family for the other sex's contributions.
    That is smart parenting. I mean if a male child has questions about sexuality, he is not going to go to mom or mom.

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    Studies Capt'n has posted in the past do not account for the extended family variable...at least I haven't seen how those studies do if they have, anyway.
    The dynamic of the nuclear family is the optimal child raising engine as intended by nature and human history.

    The problem is people think this is some kind of jab at same sex marriage, it's not. It is however the best solution for child rearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is smart parenting. I mean if a male child has questions about sexuality, he is not going to go to mom or mom.



    The dynamic of the nuclear family is the optimal child raising engine as intended by nature and human history.

    The problem is people think this is some kind of jab at same sex marriage, it's not. It is however the best solution for child rearing.
    If nothing else it's just as much a jab at polygamy as it is same-sex marriage. The fact that you don't hear these self-proclaimed champions of equality stand up for polygamists in the same breath they claim to seek equality only exposes them as hypocrites.

    I for one don't give a **** about identity groups and I don't look at political issues through those rose colored glasses. marriage has a specific purpose, and if you aren't about serving that purpose then I would see you denied regardless of what identity group/s you belong to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If nothing else it's just as much a jab at polygamy as it is same-sex marriage. The fact that you don't hear these self-proclaimed champions of equality stand up for polygamists in the same breath they claim to seek equality only exposes them as hypocrites.

    I for one don't give a **** about identity groups and I don't look at political issues through those rose colored glasses. marriage has a specific purpose, and if you aren't about serving that purpose then I would see you denied regardless of what identity group/s you belong to.
    To you, marriage has the specific purpose of raising children.

    Our government, however, has never specifically put that out, nor does it actually support that position in the current way that it issues marriage licenses.

    Today, if you go by the laws concerning marriage in the US, the federal government recognizes heterosexual marriages in the US as a contract between two people of different genders who wish to make each other legal family, and who are agreeing to take legal and financial responsibility for each other. The marriage of a heterosexual couple legally has nothing to do with actually having/adopting children or the couple's ability/lack of ability to do so. I believe that this is how a legal marriage should be. Marriage in and of itself should not be legally tied in any way to a requirement that those who get married should have to sometime in their life raise children together as a couple. And since legal marriage now has to do with making a legal contract that makes two people legal family, then there is no reason to deny legal marriage to homosexual couples.

    In fact, I am for legalizing polygamy, but I do not think that a normal marriage contract would cover such a relationship, so a separate set of laws and documents would need to be made before this could happen without major problems.

    Also, I think that the legal age a person can get married should be changed to 18, and parents should have no legal say in their children's marriages.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    My statement is absolutely correct. It has been successful in the development of the human family since the beginning. No study done can take this into account or prove that record wrong. There is almost no social science research to support my claim because the science involved was vs single parent homes. Due to the success of the traditional family no research was really needed. Not without an agenda anyway.

    I agree a child is better off with 2 parents. This does not in any way change the fact it is optimal to have both a mother and father.

    My statement stands as true.
    No, your statement is false. It's success in the past is irrelevant when doing comparisons. Comparative studies have yielded similar results: children raised in two parent households, regardless of the sex of each parents, do equally as well.

    So, your statement is inaccurate.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    To you, [blah blah blah etc etc no point in reading the rest of this post because you're deliberately characterizing me with this tired out lame dismissal tactic easily shot down with entry level science].
    It's clearly not according to me.

    I wasn't alive during the last few million years where everyone else decided what marriage was going to be about. I wasn't in all these different cultures all over the globe.

    This is basic Sociology. The key term is "cultural universal". No matter where you go, marriage is about socializing children just like funerals are about marking the end of life.
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