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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    If I think and feel that something is morally wrong, then I think it's absolutely acceptable to use the government to try to put a stop to it. That is what government is for.
    I disagree that that is what government is for. I believe government is there solely to increase security and prosperity by making society orderly and providing services and increase liberty through protecting the less powerful individuals from the powerful.

    Sort of the stuff in the Preamble to the Constitution. That is what government is for. There are a lot of morals that fall outside of this scope.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    They can have civil unions or get the government out of the marriage business altogether.

    Two men or women do not make a marriage. They should however have all the rights and privileges of a married couple no matter what it is called.

    My reasons for being against gay marriage is purely religious and semantics.

    It is not open for debate. It will immediately turn this thread into a religious bashing session. Not interested in that.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They can have civil unions or get the government out of the marriage business altogether.

    Two men or women do not make a marriage. They should however have all the rights and privileges of a married couple no matter what it is called.

    My reasons for being against gay marriage is purely religious and semantics.

    It is not open for debate. It will immediately turn this thread into a religious bashing session. Not interested in that.
    If you give them civil unions you are giving them "marriage" because 'separate but equal' will not stand scrutiny.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you give the civil unions you are giving them "marriage" because 'separate but equal' will not stand scrutiny.
    I'd really the to the "them" attitude be a thing of the past.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'd really the to the "them" attitude be a thing of the past.
    I have no idea what you're trying to say...literally I don't understand the sentence, proly just me though.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you give them civil unions you are giving them "marriage" because 'separate but equal' will not stand scrutiny.
    Has nothing to do with separate but equal. It has to do with two dudes does not make a marriage. It takes a man and a women, period.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Has nothing to do with separate but equal. It has to do with two dudes does not make a marriage. It takes a man and a women, period.
    It has everything to do with separate but equal. It doesn't stop with civil unions, they are a means to an end, so giving civil unions is giving marriage. Giving the civil rights is giving marriage. That's the result your choice brings.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    I'm fine with civil unions (which are essentially just contracts, nothing too bad about that), but marriage is something to be left to private institutions. However, I see equality of access to gay and straight couples as the most important issue here.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I'm fine with civil unions (which are essentially just contracts, nothing too bad about that), but marriage is something to be left to private institutions. However, I see equality of access to gay and straight couples as the most important issue here.
    Marriage is not about equality.

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    fyi Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Only logical anti-gay marriage position that I know of is the one that takes government out of the marriage business altogether. This position is usually based on not wanting to allow special privileges for folks just because they are married.
    To do that, you would have to amend the Constitution. Specifically Article 8, section 1;

    Section 8.

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    (snipped for brevity)

    To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    etc.

    That is unless you are willing to give up the notion of marrying someone and making them a U.S. Citizen by doing so.

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