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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't really think it matters either. But so long as the Marriage License exists as a government issued and recognized contract, then all should have their right to contract recognized. In the end, I think it's all a big semantics game and I don't know why either side is so entrenched in their definitions. The best solution is to remove the marriage license all together, return marriage to a purely religious affair and let the churches worry about it.
    If the state does not define the legal interactions that have to do with marriage, then who?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post



    As I mentioned earlier I think gay couples should have the same legal benefits under the law. We can do this without changing the definition of marriage or me being forced to support something I see as wrong.

    Civil Unions recognized by the federal government would solve that problem.
    two things
    1 the problems you say exist does not, it wouldnt be forcing YOU to do anything at all , it also would change the defnition of marriage.

    2 it WOULD how ever create a new problem and that discrimination against gays
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So thanks for admitting you are making it based upon religion. I don't know where your little indignant remark came from then since you seemed to know your opinion was based solely on your religious opinion. And since the Marriage License is property of State and not Church, your religious opinion has no functional, rightful, or legal bearing on the subject.


    so very true
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly. It was enforced bigotries of the day, people thought it an abomination for interracial couples to get married. Just as some see it an abomination for gays to get married. The marriage license hasn't changed function, it remains a power used to enforce bigotries against a people.

    You're not giving up any freedom, that's just propaganda on your part to try to excuse your behavior.
    again so very true, it is purely propaganda
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If the state does not define the legal interactions that have to do with marriage, then who?
    The individuals making the contract. Everything which is legally recognized within the context of the marriage license can easily be made into another form of contract. One in which two people can agree to enter and gain certain legal powers and privileges in context with the other person. In essence, it separates out the "civil union" part and the "marriage" part of the marriage license. The marriage license can be abolished and marriage can then return to being a solely religious term. Any of the legal "benefits" which came with marriage can be handled through alternative contract.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The individuals making the contract. Everything which is legally recognized within the context of the marriage license can easily be made into another form of contract. One in which two people can agree to enter and gain certain legal powers and privileges in context with the other person.
    Sounds like quite the boon for the lawyers.
    Thing is, the state will still be involved, should there be an issue.

    What about the interaction between the married and the state?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Wow 26 pages and still not ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage.

    Still interesting talks though but nothing that justifies the discrimination and denial of equal rights.

    Ill keep checking the thread though for my research even though i have to through out the poll results now because of some tampering juvenile LOL
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Sounds like quite the boon for the lawyers.
    Thing is, the state will still be involved, should there be an issue.
    I actually don't see it any different than what we have now. Instead of the marriage license, there is a separate contract which has the same basic things in it that the marriage license would. Except it wouldn't be a marriage license, it would just be contract. Marriage would be defined through the specific churches and they can decide for themselves what they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What about the interaction between the married and the state?
    Such as? There are a lot of things from taxes to hospital visitation etc which are contained within the marriage license. I think that you can keep that all intact without having the marriage license.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Oh, ok thanks

    Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract. Anything else is secondary so why do you feel the need to hange the name?

    you dont think thats discrimination by changing the name?
    Typically, I agree with you on the semantics are BS front. However, as you can see on the last few pages, there is an importance between dividing a private ceremony with a legal contract.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Also just and FYI on the Poll tampering.

    Before someone juvinile stacked the deck it was consistant at 80%. This is the 6th poll I have done and the lowest was at 79% and the highest was 93% that it is of course wrong to stop it if given the choice. It seems while MANY disagree with it that most are smart enough to know its none of their business and dont want to be oppressive and discriminate.
    Quote Originally Posted by MateoMtnClimber View Post
    Yes, gay people absolutely have the right to infringe on other people's religious rights.
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    Genetically human & human being is exactly the same thing.
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    homosexuality is objectively wrong, but because science tells me it is, not politics.
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    I'm not at risk for AIDS. Gays are.

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