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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It did as soon as the State usurped it.
    We know that's a false statement because Clergy can solemnize and certify marriage.

    A specific marriage may not have a religious component, but marriage as an institution retains a strong religious element.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We know that's a false statement because Clergy can solemnize and certify marriage.

    A specific marriage may not have a religious component, but marriage as an institution retains a strong religious element.
    The State has granted privilege to organizations to issue the marriage contract. That doesn't mean that marriage is solely religious. As long as it's a state issued contract, that's what it is.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So thanks for admitting you are making it based upon religion.
    I did not say I was. I have also mentioned even if I was not a Chrsitian I would still be against it.

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    I don't know where your little indignant remark came from then since you seemed to know your opinion was based solely on your religious opinion.
    Because it is not "solely" based on religion. You are making this assumption about me based on a post on an Internet message board? You don't know me.

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    And since the Marriage License is property of State and not Church, your religious opinion has no functional, rightful, or legal bearing on the subject.
    Funny how people who want less government are the ones who always cry for more when it suits their purposes.

    Either way it changes nothing, and I most certainly can.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    I'm not crying for more government, I'm telling you exactly what it is. Marriage is a State issued contract; that's the reality of the situation. People are still trying to use government to enforce their religious bigotries, and that's what's going too far. That's what the marriage license was invented for, and that's what is sadly still being used for. Like we didn't get out of the dark ages on some level.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The State has granted privilege to organizations to issue the marriage contract. That doesn't mean that marriage is solely religious. As long as it's a state issued contract, that's what it is.
    No one ever said marriage is solely religious.

    In fact I clearly stated that marriage is a conglomerate of many subcategories not only of religious but of law and economy as well. Blackdog supports gays having the legal rights...so I don't know who's posts you're reading but you aren't reading ours.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-03-10 at 01:09 PM.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not crying for more government, I'm telling you exactly what it is. Marriage is a State issued contract; that's the reality of the situation. People are still trying to use government to enforce their religious bigotries, and that's what's going too far.
    So I must give up my freedom to support your way of thinking or be a bigot. I see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's what the marriage license was invented for, and that's what is sadly still being used for. Like we didn't get out of the dark ages on some level.
    It was invented to keep blacks and whites from marrying. So here we can agree. But sexual preference has nothing to do with race or my willingness to support it as a marriage.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So I must give up my freedom to support your way of thinking or be a bigot. I see.

    It was invented to keep blacks and whites from marrying.
    Exactly. It was enforced bigotries of the day, people thought it an abomination for interracial couples to get married. Just as some see it an abomination for gays to get married. The marriage license hasn't changed function, it remains a power used to enforce bigotries against a people.

    You're not giving up any freedom, that's just propaganda on your part to try to excuse your behavior.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not crying for more government, I'm telling you exactly what it is. Marriage is a State issued contract; that's the reality of the situation. People are still trying to use government to enforce their religious bigotries, and that's what's going too far. That's what the marriage license was invented for, and that's what is sadly still being used for. Like we didn't get out of the dark ages on some level.
    My mother in-law is married and there's no legal aspect to it at all. She doesn't have a marriage license, she doesn't file "married-joint" on her taxes, etc. She and her husband had a religious ceremony, wear rings, and live as a married couple. The family regards them as married.

    They are married, just as many gay couples are married now without the law.

    A specific marriage may have no religious component just as a specific marriage may have no legal component, but marriage per-se as an institution maintains religious and legal elements.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly. It was enforced bigotries of the day, people thought it an abomination for interracial couples to get married. Just as some see it an abomination for gays to get married. The marriage license hasn't changed function, it remains a power used to enforce bigotries against a people.
    It is not the same. Marriage is one man and a woman. In this country it has always been that way. Race is nothing more than a social construct and so it should not be relevant. Going against human biology is different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're not giving up any freedom, that's just propaganda on your part to try to excuse your behavior.
    Propaganda? LOL!

    No, I am standing by what I believe to be right as an American citizen.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My mother in-law is married and there's no legal aspect to it at all. She doesn't have a marriage license, she doesn't file "married-joint" on her taxes, etc. She and her husband had a religious ceremony, wear rings, and live as a married couple. The family regards them as married.

    They are married, just as many gay couples are married now without the law.

    A specific marriage may have no religious component just as a specific marriage may have no legal component, but marriage per-se as an institution maintains religious and legal elements.
    And the Marriage License is free from any religious mandate since it is property of the State. So any religious argument built upon marriage being solely between a man and a woman has no regard within the Marriage License itself. Religiously married and legally married are two different things, and the Marriage License is not product of religion, but product of State. Thus it is subjected to all the limitations and requirements that government is made to observe.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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