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    Gay Marriage, is illogical

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You may personally believe it to be religious, but as soon as the Marriage License came into existence; marriage left the realm of religion and entered the realm of the State.
    Please point out where my argument hinges on marriage being religious?

    I said morally my religion says it is wrong. Has nothing to do with marriage being a religious or government institution.

    I personally would like to see the government get out of the marriage business. It has very little to do with my argument.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please point out where my argument hinges on marriage being religious?

    I said morally my religion says it is wrong. Has nothing to do with marriage being a religious or government institution.

    I personally would like to see the government get out of the marriage business. It has very little to do with my argument.
    Really?

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    My reasons for being against gay marriage is purely religious and semantics.
    I mean, I had even quoted it. As I said, you may feel that you're religiously motivated in this. But it doesn't matter. As soon as the Marriage License was created, marriage left the realm of religion and entered the realm of the State. You cannot, thus, use religious arguments what so ever so long as the Marriage License exists.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Really?



    I mean, I had even quoted it. As I said, you may feel that you're religiously motivated in this. But it doesn't matter. As soon as the Marriage License was created, marriage left the realm of religion and entered the realm of the State. You cannot, thus, use religious arguments what so ever so long as the Marriage License exists.
    Marriage is social, with sub-categories of religious, legal, economic, etc. Some marriages may be more or less religious or legal than others, but they are all social. Marriage never left the religious subcategory, that's just an ignorant thing to say.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That right doesn't exist, for anyone. It's rumor which has been repeated so many times that people believe it, but there is no actual law establishing hospital visitation. That issue is dealt with by the specific hospital, and the typical example is that anyone is allowed during visitation hours. Also, I had non relatives stay with me when I spent a week in the hospital as a teen, so I know first hand that you don't have to be family.

    Also, I'm not married to my mother but I'm inheriting everything she has when she passes. There is no law helping me out there, either, because if she didn't have a will then my oldest sister would have legal favor under CA law. So obviously gays don't need 'marriage' to take care of that, either.
    Being from the UK, I can't really comment on the specifics of Californian law. But if it is anything like UK law (and I suspect it is any many ways) then there will almost certainly be certain "rights" and protections that are afforded to hetrosexual couples that are definately not extended to homosexual couples.

    Personally I don't care about whether its called marriage, civil partnerships or whatever, but I think gay couples should be afforded exactly the same rights as hetrosexual couples.

    I take your point that at the moment in the US, visitation rights are an issue for each hospital. But clearly enough hospitals were actively preventing gay people from seeing their loved ones that Obama felt it was necessary to intervene to prevent it at a federal level. If this weren't happening I don't think the feds would have intervened at all.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Really?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, I had even quoted it. As I said, you may feel that you're religiously motivated in this. But it doesn't matter. As soon as the Marriage License was created, marriage left the realm of religion and entered the realm of the State. You cannot, thus, use religious arguments what so ever so long as the Marriage License exists.
    Yes I can. My religion says it is wrong. My moral compass says it is wrong. Since God, comes before government for me (and almost everything else). I most certainly can, have and will continue.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Marriage is social, with sub-categories of religious, legal, economic, etc. Some marriages may be more or less religious or legal than others, but they are all social. Marriage never left the religious subcategory, that's just an ignorant thing to say.
    It did as soon as the State usurped it. Religion and State are separate, the State cannot rule along religious lines; it must respect the rights of the individual. When the State claimed the Marriage License, they claimed Marriage. It is not a religious institution any longer, as the State is forbidden from being a religion institution. The Marriage License is a State granted and recognized contract, the individual has right to contract. That's that. Claiming that marriage is still a religious possession is just an ignorant thing to say.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes I can. My religion says it is wrong. My moral compass says it is wrong. Since God, comes before government for me (and almost everything else). I most certainly can, have and will continue.
    So thanks for admitting you are making it based upon religion. I don't know where your little indignant remark came from then since you seemed to know your opinion was based solely on your religious opinion. And since the Marriage License is property of State and not Church, your religious opinion has no functional, rightful, or legal bearing on the subject.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It did as soon as the State usurped it. Religion and State are separate, the State cannot rule along religious lines; it must respect the rights of the individual. When the State claimed the Marriage License, they claimed Marriage. It is not a religious institution any longer, as the State is forbidden from being a religion institution. The Marriage License is a State granted and recognized contract, the individual has right to contract. That's that. Claiming that marriage is still a religious possession is just an ignorant thing to say.
    You are still missing the point. I am not saying it is a religious institution, not even close. I am saying I as an American for whatever reason find it wrong, period. So I will not support it whether you like it or not.

    So It does not matter what kind of institution it is. Gay marriage is wrong, and I do not have to support or condone it. Since I live here and I am a citizen it is my right to vote or speak out against it for wish.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sh856531 View Post
    Being from the UK, I can't really comment on the specifics of Californian law. But if it is anything like UK law (and I suspect it is any many ways) then there will almost certainly be certain "rights" and protections that are afforded to hetrosexual couples that are definately not extended to homosexual couples.

    Personally I don't care about whether its called marriage, civil partnerships or whatever, but I think gay couples should be afforded exactly the same rights as hetrosexual couples.

    I take your point that at the moment in the US, visitation rights are an issue for each hospital. But clearly enough hospitals were actively preventing gay people from seeing their loved ones that Obama felt it was necessary to intervene to prevent it at a federal level. If this weren't happening I don't think the feds would have intervened at all.

    Best Regards

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    We heteros don't need any more help ****ing up marriage, so unless gays are part of the solution, they are part of the problem. They are part of the problem because of the fact that they view the issue of marriage through the lens of identity politics instead of Functionalism, which lends them to ignore the real problems.
    Last edited by Jerry; 05-03-10 at 01:02 PM.

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