Everyone who complains about the "traditional meaning" of marriage is missing one extremely important fact. The traditional meaning of marriage does NOT involve the state, it involves a church. The traditional meaning is a promise between a man and woman between God, not a court. The government has no claim to be issuing "traditional marriages" between people as they are a secular body and claim no religious authority. In other words, all that marriage is to the gov't is something you put on your tax forms, which i have no problem letting two men or women do.
morals based on what? religion? feelings? etc.
heres are small example of what some people find "morally wrong"
sex without conception intent
sorry but in america theres no logic on forcing your morals on me especially when there is no victim.
Murder, child molesting, stealing those are also morals but they have a victium and theres not consent.
Ill need more than that. again I totally respect YOUR right to have YOUR morals you just dont get to force them on others. Thats way to arrogant and selfish for me
only asking because there were same sex marriages in Rome. While not has common of course as straight marriage they existed none the less. Thats pretty far back so what is tradition.
I don't think its wrong, but its pretty damn stupid.
What are we "protecting" when we vote against gay marriage? The right to complain hypocritically?
There is really no point to be against it, other than standing behind an age-old argument that marriage is an "institution" and that it is an entity itself.
We make too big a deal out of marriage really, meanwhile our nation has the highest divorce rate. Blocking gay marriage is useless and it makes those supporters look like idiots.
So if we ever vote to make gay marriage legal, it would be dandy. I personally would not vote because I simply don't care, it doesn't affect me personally so why should I?
Last edited by Cilogy; 04-30-10 at 01:58 AM.
Theft is the same. In order for there to be a victim of theft, we have to morally define property and determine the rules by which people may own and exchange property.
Even murder must be defined morally before it can be enforced as law. Otherwise, what is the difference between murder and manslaughter? What is the acceptable use of force in self-defense? In defense of one's home?
The answers to all of these questions are moral values. There is no categorical difference between the law which prohibits murder and the laws that prohibit homosexual marriage. The only difference is that most people generally agree with the laws on murder-- with some notable exceptions, such as assisted suicide-- while the laws on homosexual marriage are highly controversial.
I happen to agree with you on gay marriage. It isn't wrong and it shouldn't be prohibited. But I can guarantee you there are at least a dozen things we disagree about in which the law takes your side-- and they are all based on the same wholly subjective moral values that you claim not to be forcing upon anyone.
2 so OTHER peole have stupid morals but yours is fine? got it lol
3,4,5 & 6 these examples the way YOU are using them are MEANINGLESS for the debate at hand, for gay marriage there is NO victim so there no need for law to define it. so that was a waste for "this debate"
7-8 you actually couldnt be more wrong I am actually for a WIN WIN situation if you want to marry gay, you do, if you dont you dont. That isnt forcing ANYBODY to do anything sorry LMAO
Like I CLEARLY said other can believe, teach, preach etc whatever they want but they dont get to tell others what to do. my stance allows all to be happy the other stance is the one that wants people to "abide"
explain to me how my view are forced on anyone Id LOVE to hear this LMAO
allowing gays to marry doesnt force straights to marry hahahahahaha I am in fact not forcing anything you have it backwards those that stop it are forcing, they are in fact not only forcing their views but denying others of their same rights
in my system you get to KEEP and ABIDE and LIVE by your own values in the other system I have to live by theirs, hope you know see that
also Korimyr the Rat just an FYI
Sorry if my wording is a little off with the "my view" "your view" "thier view" stuff. I know you said you agree with me so im not trying to single you out just got sloppy with my wording