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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

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    For the 1,987,348th time... there is no conclusive evidence that sexual orientation is either a choice or not a choice. Current researchers agree that sexual orientation develops due to a combination of the following factors: biological, genetic, hormonal/chemical, and environmental. This goes for ALL sexual orientations, homosexuality, bisexuality, AND heterosexuality. None of these orientations, however, can be classified as a disorder, which legitimatizes each of them.
    there is no conclusive evidence that sexual orientation is either a choice or not a choice......Current researchers agree that sexual orientation MAY DEVELOP due to a combination of the following factors: biological, genetic, hormonal/chemical, and environmental. Though no genetic dissimilarity between heterosexuals and homosexuals has been found. ........which legitimatizes each of them. That's an opinion.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    there is no conclusive evidence that sexual orientation is either a choice or not a choice......Current researchers agree that sexual orientation MAY DEVELOP due to a combination of the following factors: biological, genetic, hormonal/chemical, and environmental.
    Agreed.
    Though no genetic dissimilarity between heterosexuals and homosexuals has been found. ........which legitimatizes each of them. That's an opinion.
    Since there is no conclusive proof of the causation of sexual orientation, the legitimacy of a sexual orientation cannot be scientifically based on genetics, biology, or biochemistry. Therefore, to scientifically legitimatize either or each, another foundation must be used. Since scientific evidence shows that neither sexual orientation is and of itself is a disorder, the legitimacy or "normalization" of each can be identified.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    At 5?!!! Sorry, all of those things would not determine one's sexual orientation. Perhaps the child needs a speech therapist for some speech disorder. Perhaps he's shy around girls... not outrageous at that or many other ages. And perhaps he just has different likes... like a boy who likes art rather than baseball. No WAY can someone make that kind of determination on just those behaviors.
    .... I cant verbalise what I want to say, but I expressed my example incorrectly ... or it was taken wrong.

    That doesn't determine a child to be gay, but what can be said of gay children who develop like that, or at least develop into gays and believe or know they have been gay their whole lives? Is there no evidence at least from hearsay in society that people are born gay? I apologise for not knowing much on the issue.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

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    .... I cant verbalise what I want to say, but I expressed my example incorrectly ... or it was taken wrong.

    That doesn't determine a child to be gay, but what can be said of gay children who develop like that, or at least develop into gays and believe or know they have been gay their whole lives?
    That they are most probably gay, however, the causation is currently unknown. It could have been genetics. It could have been biology. It could have been hormones/biochemistry. It could have been environment. There is no conclusive evidence that makes the determination. I believe at some point, a genetic or biochemical component to sexual orientation will be discovered. It appears innate to me. However, there is no scientific basis for this, so it is nothing by my opinion. Scientifically, and in debate, I stay with the position that the determinants for sexual orientation are inconclusive and a definitive answer is not currently known.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Agreed.


    Since there is no conclusive proof of the causation of sexual orientation, the legitimacy of a sexual orientation cannot be scientifically based on genetics, biology, or biochemistry. Therefore, to scientifically legitimatize either or each, another foundation must be used. Since scientific evidence shows that neither sexual orientation is and of itself is a disorder, the legitimacy or "normalization" of each can be identified.
    So, we have to use something other than science to answer the fundamental question in this argument. Is homosexuality, and by extension, homosexual marriage, something society will accept as legitimate?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And, as an aside, with what we know about developmental sexuality, I would caution ANYONE of trying to identify the sexual orientation of someone as young as 3 or 5, especially based on a behavior or two. Further, I have no idea what "acting gay" looks like on a 5 year old.
    Two different gay male acquaintances have described knowing they were gay "in kindergarten"; feeling that they were different than the other boys, and having crushes on boys.
    Five is about the age that heterosexuals begin to have "crushes" on members of the opposite sex.
    I remember my son coming home dispirited from kindergarten; when I asked him what was wrong, he said, "I need a girlfriend! All my friends have girlfriends."
    When I suggested cluelessly that I was both a girl and his friend, he glared at me contemptuously and replied, "No, mom. I need a little girlfriend."


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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, we have to use something other than science to answer the fundamental question in this argument. Is homosexuality, and by extension, homosexual marriage, something society will accept as legitimate?
    You just moved the goal posts. There is a difference between something being scientifically legitimate, and something that society will accept as legitimate. As for the former, this has been proven, both in the case of homosexuality and GM. As for the latter, society does not always base it's decisions on science alone. Morality, perception, societal needs, and beliefs come into play. So, you are addressing two different concepts.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Two different gay male acquaintances have described knowing they were gay "in kindergarten"; feeling that they were different than the other boys, and having crushes on boys.
    Five is about the age that heterosexuals begin to have "crushes" on members of the opposite sex.
    I remember my son coming home dispirited from kindergarten; when I asked him what was wrong, he said, "I need a girlfriend! All my friends have girlfriends."
    When I suggested cluelessly that I was both a girl and his friend, he glared at me contemptuously and replied, "No, mom. I need a little girlfriend."

    There are some children that age that are aware of their sexuality. Depends on the kid. Even if this is true, we still do not know, conclusively WHY it develops or from where.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Two different gay male acquaintances have described knowing they were gay "in kindergarten"; feeling that they were different than the other boys, and having crushes on boys.
    Five is about the age that heterosexuals begin to have "crushes" on members of the opposite sex.
    I remember my son coming home dispirited from kindergarten; when I asked him what was wrong, he said, "I need a girlfriend! All my friends have girlfriends."
    When I suggested cluelessly that I was both a girl and his friend, he glared at me contemptuously and replied, "No, mom. I need a little girlfriend."

    In my experience, most boys don't experience any real sexual attractions until they near or have commenced puberty. so, for them to say they knew in kindergarten is likely an unintentional exaggeration. The girlfriend, boyfriend thing becomes evident far earlier than any real sexual attraction and is learned from older children and/or adults.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    In my experience, most boys don't experience any real sexual attractions until they near or have commenced puberty. so, for them to say they knew in kindergarten is likely an unintentional exaggeration. The girlfriend, boyfriend thing becomes evident far earlier than any real sexual attraction and is learned from older children and/or adults.
    I don't agree with this. I've worked with lots of kids who identified sexual attractions quite a bit earlier than puberty. It may not be mature sexual attractions in the sense that adults have, but there is literature that suggests that children do have sexual thoughts/attractions.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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