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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Please show me a study that says sexuality is "more than likely" to be out of your control.
    Are you seriously insinuating that people are in control of their sexuality? Because I'd love to hear about your thought process during the moment when you CHOSE to be attracted to whichever sex you're attracted to. I never chose that. Instead, I simply found myself experiencing attraction. Whether that was caused by genes, pre-natal hormones, environmental factors, brain structure, or any of the other possible factors is irrelevant. I had no control over it.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course I've made a claim. My claim is that there is a difference between reading God's word and understanding God's word. And without context, words and concepts are meaningless.
    I read and understand the words just fine. Please feel free to point out where I have misunderstood or misquoted scripture without context? I can point out specific instances where others have.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    I never said it was a study..I actually saw it on 20/20. ( When I say this I am speaking of the two brothers who never knew each other.)

    YouTube - 20/20- Gay Gene

    I think it is obvious these people are gay because of a reason out of their control. If this is so, which it looks like it is then it doesn't matter what the majority feels or if it effects a large amount of the religions beliefs., it ought to be legalized.

    Also my mistake, they were not twins but brothers who never knew each other.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sweEt Mauritius View Post
    Are you seriously insinuating that people are in control of their sexuality? Because I'd love to hear about your thought process during the moment when you CHOSE to be attracted to whichever sex you're attracted to. I never chose that. Instead, I simply found myself experiencing attraction. Whether that was caused by genes, pre-natal hormones, environmental factors, brain structure, or any of the other possible factors is irrelevant. I had no control over it.
    I'm not insinuating anything. I was asking a question. A great majority of the folks that I have communicated with that are in support of gay marriage say that the studies indicate that people are born gay, when in fact there is no study that says that. every study I have read on homosexuality concludes that homosexuality MAY be caused by some combination of genetics or environmental factors but also usually state no proof exists. My point is that people who say the studies say this, that or the other thing should read and understand them first.

    Asking me when I decided I was heterosexual as a point that there is no choice to being homosexual usually holds no validity with heterosexuals. Heterosexuals consider heterosexual intercourse to be natural while homosexual intercourse is unnatural. Therefore, there is no need to legitimize heterosexuality to refute the validity of homosexuality.

    The argument that environmental factors may cause homosexuality is very valid in my view. However it doesn't in and of itself validate homosexuality, for me personally, since there are a great many mental disorders which are said to be caused by environmental factors. Don't take that to mean I think homosexuality is a mental disorder, I don't necessarily. I'm sure if I were homosexual I would have a different view on that. My personal religious views are not a strong enough factor for me to rely on in opposition to gay marriage so I've tried to find away to convince myself that it is valid through reading studies on the issue. Personally, I do not feel that homosexuality or gay marriage will affect me personally in anyway, however I do believe it will have some pretty serious affects on our society. Maybe good effects, maybe bad. Time will tell. That is more my concern than anything, and is the only reason I oppose it.

    Since homosexuals can live "marriage-like" lifestyles now, and are as protected by hate laws and discrimination laws as are anyone else, I don't see that legalizing marriage would provide any benefit worthy of the potential risks involved with changing the societal definition of marriage.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I never said it was a study..I actually saw it on 20/20. ( When I say this I am speaking of the two brothers who never knew each other.)

    YouTube - 20/20- Gay Gene

    I think it is obvious these people are gay because of a reason out of their control. If this is so, which it looks like it is then it doesn't matter what the majority feels or if it effects a large amount of the religions beliefs., it ought to be legalized.

    Also my mistake, they were not twins but brothers who never knew each other.
    I'm not going to dismiss this out of hand, but when the only person that they interviewed in opposition was an evangelical, you have to understand that there is some bias there....There were no real details of the the lives of the brothers discussed so that tells me that those details would have altered a pretty biased approach to the issue. Also, no scientific proof was offered.

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sweEt Mauritius View Post
    Are you seriously insinuating that people are in control of their sexuality? Because I'd love to hear about your thought process during the moment when you CHOSE to be attracted to whichever sex you're attracted to. I never chose that. Instead, I simply found myself experiencing attraction. Whether that was caused by genes, pre-natal hormones, environmental factors, brain structure, or any of the other possible factors is irrelevant. I had no control over it.
    Indeed. I don't care if homosexuality is genetic or not. I just feel it's something that the government should have no say over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Indeed. I don't care if homosexuality is genetic or not. I just feel it's something that the government should have no say over.
    How about polygamy or other forms of plural marriage? Should the government have a say in that?

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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I read and understand the words just fine. Please feel free to point out where I have misunderstood or misquoted scripture without context? I can point out specific instances where others have.
    You are implying that you take the literal word of scripture and apply it to today. I am saying that I take the literal word of scripture, understand the historical context and, with that in mind, apply it to today. We interpret the bible differently.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How about polygamy or other forms of plural marriage? Should the government have a say in that?
    I believe that the government should have the right to regulate all forms of marriage based on the following factors... in no particular order:
    1) Voter beliefs/desires.
    2) Empirical evidence.
    3) Benefit/cost to society, considering both quantitate and qualitative factors.

    In MY world, numbers 1 and 3 will be based on number 2. In that scenario, GM has been shown to be equal to straight marriage. Also, in that scenario, plural marriage has been shown to be sorely lacking.
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    Re: Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I believe that the government should have the right to regulate all forms of marriage based on the following factors... in no particular order:
    1) Voter beliefs/desires.
    2) Empirical evidence.
    3) Benefit/cost to society, considering both quantitate and qualitative factors.

    In MY world, numbers 1 and 3 will be based on number 2. In that scenario, GM has been shown to be equal to straight marriage. Also, in that scenario, plural marriage has been shown to be sorely lacking.
    Sorely lacking what? Polygamists tend to be very family oriented....what's wrong with it? It's not my thing, I've got my hands full with one wife and frankly, the idea of a second is terrifying. But just because it's not good for my family, who am I to say it can't work for someone else?

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